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« on: May 24, 2010, 10:16:59 PM »

Greetings,

I just got my Screwdriver and as I wait for the battery to charge, I have some questions about my Totally Wicked e-Liquid.

Who performs chemical analysis of e-Liquids produced in China, meaning the specific testing laboratory? 
Are the results posted publicly and is there contact information for the laboratory?
What is the frequency of the testing carried out?

The reason I ask is that this product is clearly market "Made in China" and that is a market producer that has had repeated and serious problems with safety in products meant for human consumption.

Thank You!

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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2010, 10:22:33 PM »

Welcome to the forum gearscout, I like the red label Chinese juice but now only order the decadent vapour juice from the UK made by Nick O Teen or the Patriot Label made here in the US - both are great juices Wink  Hope you love your SD as much as I love mine Grin
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2010, 02:59:36 PM »

Aye trust in Mr O'Teen, he seems a jolly nice chap, and he has a very nice car. Too nice in fact. But then you don't get to be a beloved overlord of Nicotine Juices without some perks!
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nado's + SD tootin away!


« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2010, 07:51:44 AM »

The red label was my first juice purchase after seeing some vid of it on you tube when I bought my tornado.  vaped it till it was all gone, then moved to patriot and the DV range.  I haven't felt or became ill when I vaped red label juices(American Red Tobacco and Virginia). 
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2010, 11:32:48 AM »

Currently we have 3 Lab Tests under way on our full range Ie Plat Ice, Titan Fluid and Red Label.

As soon as the Results are through i will publish the PDFS...
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2010, 03:41:08 PM »

Thanks for all the work you are putting forward on these test Jason.. makes a HUGE difference in easing the concerns of several of my friends  and family
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2010, 03:14:24 PM »

Still awaiting the four new GCMS test results on various fluids including the Plat Ice.

will publish the PDFS as soon as we receive them..
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2010, 03:18:15 PM »

Nicotine Assay of Totally Wicked Platinum Ice E-Mixing Liquid
Report Number: F252B

Mike Ellicott
6th September 2010

LPD Lab Services Limited
D Building Philips Site,
Philips Road
Blackburn
Lancashire, BB1 5RZ
United Kingdom
www.lpdlabservices.co.uk
enquiries@lpdlabservices.co.uk

Tel 01254-676 074
Fax 01254-278 845

Jason Cropper – Pillbox38 (UK) and (USA) Ltd
Unit 1 Brook Mill Complex
Branch Road
Lower Darwen
Lancashire BB3 0PR




This report shall not be reproduced except in full, without written approval of the laboratory
 

Description

One type of electronic cigarette ‘E-liquid’ was supplied to confirm the nicotine concentration found within the electronic cigarette ‘E-liquid’, and suggest a classification for the products under the current CHIP Regulations.

The product was as follows: -
•   Totally Wicked Platinum Ice E-mixing Liquid 3.6% (30 ml bottle)

The electronic cigarette which replicates the action of smoking, producing a tobacco aromatised smoke which when inhaled quickly delivers the nicotine to the lung.

The Electronic Cigarettes do not contain “Tobacco” as such, but are formulated using a refined tobacco leaf extract, where the extract used in manufacture may typically contain >= 95% Nicotine. The EC cartridges should therefore be exempt from the current Tobacco Legislation.

Nicotine is classified as a poison and is on the “Poisons List A”, however, there are “No special restrictions to any purchasing group”. It is therefore appropriate to deal with the electronic cigarettes under the CHIP Regulations.

The bottle of E-liquid was shaken 10 times prior to any samples being taken from the bottle.

The weight of 1 ml nicotine solution pipetted from the bottle of E-liquid was recorded, so that an estimate of the density of the E-liquid could be made.


The Nicotine Assay
1.   Sample Extraction for GC Nicotine Assay – E-liquid
All equipment was washed at least three times with pure acetone then air dried before use; this included the 50 ml graduated flask.

A 1 ml sample of the nicotine solution was pipetted in a 50 ml graduated flask and made up to the mark with pure Propan-1-ol. The flask was shaken 10 times to mix the contents prior to analysis.
2.   Calibration of GC Nicotine Assay Method
A nicotine drug standard was obtained from Sigma-Aldrich with a concentration of 1.05 mg/ml of (-) Nicotine in methanol.

Part Number:      N5511
Lot No:         077K5003
Concentration:       1.05 mg Nicotine/ ml
Expiration Date:       December 2010

3.   GC Nicotine Assay Method
The samples were analysed at LPD Lab Services Ltd to determine the nicotine concentration present by GC (Gas Chromatography).

Column:       Heliflex AT-1 Dimethylpolysiloxane Capillary Column
   – 30 m x 0.53 µm x 5 µm
Temperature:   150oC for 1 min, ramp 10oC/min to 250oC, 250oC for
         19 min, 15 min equilibration
Analysis Time:   30min
Injection:      Split less
Carrier gas:      Helium

The GC method employed was of the ‘external standard type’ where the detector response for the nicotine component was calibrated based on peak area, after injecting a set volume of standard (0.5 µl). The detector response factor for Nicotine is evaluated and stored in the calibration file on the Chromatographic data processor.

The syringe used for injecting the samples was cleaned between samples using pure acetone.

Each ‘unknown’ sample is analysed by injecting an identical volume onto the GC system (0.5 µl as when calibrating) and the integrated peak area is used to calculate the nicotine content of the cartridge by applying the detector response factor and the dilution factor to the integrated peak area for nicotine.

Provided that the density of the nicotine solution in the bottle of E-liquid has been estimated, the nicotine content can be further expressed as either: -
•   mg nicotine / ml of nicotine solution
•   or % w/w nicotine in the nicotine solution


4.   GC Nicotine Assay Results
The nicotine standard was injected neat on to the GC system without any form of dilution. Each sample cartridge was subject to a dilution factor of fifty times prior to analysis.

Table 1 – Summary of GC nicotine Assay Data
Type   Nicotine peak area   Conc. mg nicotine
/ml Dilution   Dilution Factor   Conc.  Of original Nicotine Solution
mg Nicotine
/ml   Wt. 1ml Nicotine solution
(g)   Conc.
mg Nicotine/g of nicotine Solution   % Nicotine in Nicotine Solution
(%)
1.05 mg/ml std   2068.004   1.05   N/A   N/A   N/A   N/A   N/A
Platinum Ice 5.4%   1754.512   0.8908   50   44.5414   1.2020   37.0561   3.71

A detector response factor for nicotine of 0.5077 was used in the calculation of the concentration of nicotine in the dilution, and the density of the E-liquid solution was estimated at 1.2020 g/ml.



5.   Discussion
The nicotine solution in the electronic cigarette ‘E-liquid’ has been investigated by LPD Lab Services Ltd, in order to confirm the quantity of nicotine currently found within the nicotine solution formulation, and suggest a classification of the preparation according to the hazards identified.

•   The nicotine solution in the Totally Wicked Platinum Ice E-liquid has been determined as 3.71%, and it is suggested that this cartridge should be classified as “Toxic”.








6.   CHIP Regulations
The nicotine levels have been determined for each e-cigarette ‘E-liquid’, and the classification has been suggested below.

Suggested Classification: -
   “Toxic”   - for preparations containing nicotine at concentrations is >=1% but < 7%

For any product containing nicotine for use by the general public such as e-cigarettes, it is recommended that an ‘expert packaging company’ that has a full understanding of the current CHIP regulations and any possible forthcoming changes to regulations be consulted so that the e-cigarettes are packaged and labelled correctly for Trading Standards purposes prior to going on sale.

Such an ‘expert packaging company’ may be found at: -
www.chemsoft.co.uk or via neil.smith@chemsoft.co.uk

7.   References
a)   Chemicals (Hazard  Information and Packaging for Supply) Regulations 2009


Analysts Name: Mike Ellicott
Function:
Signature: (hard copy only)________________

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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2010, 03:19:07 PM »

Nicotine Assay of Virgina Gold Nicotine E-liquid
Report Number: F252D

Mike Ellicott
6th September 2010

LPD Lab Services Limited
D Building Philips Site,
Philips Road
Blackburn
Lancashire, BB1 5RZ
United Kingdom
www.lpdlabservices.co.uk
enquiries@lpdlabservices.co.uk

Tel 01254-676 074
Fax 01254-278 845

Jason Cropper – Pillbox38 (UK) and (USA) Ltd
Unit 1 Brook Mill Complex
Branch Road
Lower Darwen
Lancashire BB3 0PR


This report shall not be reproduced except in full, without written approval of the laboratory
 

Description

One type of electronic cigarette ‘E-liquid’ was supplied to confirm the nicotine concentration found within the electronic cigarette ‘E-liquid’, and suggest a classification for the products under the current CHIP Regulations.

The product was as follows: -
•   Virgina Gold 36 mg E-liquid (30 ml bottle)

The electronic cigarette which replicates the action of smoking, producing a tobacco aromatised smoke which when inhaled quickly delivers the nicotine to the lung.

The Electronic Cigarettes do not contain “Tobacco” as such, but are formulated using a refined tobacco leaf extract, where the extract used in manufacture may typically contain >= 95% Nicotine. The EC cartridges should therefore be exempt from the current Tobacco Legislation.

Nicotine is classified as a poison and is on the “Poisons List A”, however, there are “No special restrictions to any purchasing group”. It is therefore appropriate to deal with the electronic cigarettes under the CHIP Regulations.

The bottle of E-liquid was shaken 10 times prior to any samples being taken from the bottle.

The weight of 1 ml nicotine solution pipetted from the bottle of E-liquid was recorded, so that an estimate of the density of the E-liquid could be made.


The Nicotine Assay
1.   Sample Extraction for GC Nicotine Assay – E-liquid
All equipment was washed at least three times with pure acetone then air dried before use; this included the 50 ml graduated flask.

A 1 ml sample of the nicotine solution was pipetted in a 50 ml graduated flask and made up to the mark with pure Propan-1-ol. The flask was shaken 10 times to mix the contents prior to analysis.
2.   Calibration of GC Nicotine Assay Method
A nicotine drug standard was obtained from Sigma-Aldrich with a concentration of 1.05 mg/ml of (-) Nicotine in methanol.

Part Number:      N5511
Lot No:         077K5003
Concentration:       1.05 mg Nicotine/ ml
Expiration Date:       December 2010

3.   GC Nicotine Assay Method
The samples were analysed at LPD Lab Services Ltd to determine the nicotine concentration present by GC (Gas Chromatography).

Column:       Heliflex AT-1 Dimethylpolysiloxane Capillary Column
   – 30 m x 0.53 µm x 5 µm
Temperature:   150oC for 1 min, ramp 10oC/min to 250oC, 250oC for
         19 min, 15 min equilibration
Analysis Time:   30min
Injection:      Split less
Carrier gas:      Helium

The GC method employed was of the ‘external standard type’ where the detector response for the nicotine component was calibrated based on peak area, after injecting a set volume of standard (0.5 µl). The detector response factor for Nicotine is evaluated and stored in the calibration file on the Chromatographic data processor.

The syringe used for injecting the samples was cleaned between samples using pure acetone.

Each ‘unknown’ sample is analysed by injecting an identical volume onto the GC system (0.5 µl as when calibrating) and the integrated peak area is used to calculate the nicotine content of the cartridge by applying the detector response factor and the dilution factor to the integrated peak area for nicotine.

Provided that the density of the nicotine solution in the bottle of E-liquid has been estimated, the nicotine content can be further expressed as either: -
•   mg nicotine / ml of nicotine solution
•   or % w/w nicotine in the nicotine solution


4.   GC Nicotine Assay Results
The nicotine standard was injected neat on to the GC system without any form of dilution. Each sample cartridge was subject to a dilution factor of fifty times prior to analysis.

Table 1 – Summary of GC nicotine Assay Data
Type   Nicotine peak area   Conc. mg nicotine
/ml Dilution   Dilution Factor   Conc.  Of original Nicotine Solution
mg Nicotine
/ml   Wt. 1ml Nicotine solution
(g)   Conc.
mg Nicotine/g of nicotine Solution   % Nicotine in Nicotine Solution
(%)
1.05 mg/ml std   2068.004   1.05   N/A   N/A   N/A   N/A   N/A
Virgina Gold
36 mg   1545.973   0.7723   50   38.6156   1.0772   35.8481   3.58

A detector response factor for nicotine of 0.5077 was used in the calculation of the concentration of nicotine in the dilution, and the density of the E-liquid solution was estimated at 1.0772 g/ml.



5.   Discussion
The nicotine solution in the electronic cigarette ‘E-liquid’ has been investigated by LPD Lab Services Ltd, in order to confirm the quantity of nicotine currently found within the nicotine solution formulation, and suggest a classification of the preparation according to the hazards identified.

•   The nicotine solution in the Virgina Gold E-liquid has been determined as 3.58%, and it is suggested that this cartridge should be classified as “Toxic”.








6.   CHIP Regulations
The nicotine levels have been determined for each e-cigarette ‘E-liquid’, and the classification has been suggested below.

Suggested Classification: -
   “Toxic”   - for preparations containing nicotine at concentrations is >=1% but < 7%

For any product containing nicotine for use by the general public such as e-cigarettes, it is recommended that an ‘expert packaging company’ that has a full understanding of the current CHIP regulations and any possible forthcoming changes to regulations be consulted so that the e-cigarettes are packaged and labelled correctly for Trading Standards purposes prior to going on sale.

Such an ‘expert packaging company’ may be found at: -
www.chemsoft.co.uk or via neil.smith@chemsoft.co.uk

7.   References
a)   Chemicals (Hazard  Information and Packaging for Supply) Regulations 2009


Analysts Name: Mike Ellicott
Function:
Signature: (hard copy only)________________

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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2010, 03:19:51 PM »

Nicotine Assay of Titan Black Cartridges Medium Strength Tabacco
Report Number: F252A

Mike Ellicott
6th September 2010

LPD Lab Services Limited
D Building Philips Site,
Philips Road
Blackburn
Lancashire, BB1 5RZ
United Kingdom
www.lpdlabservices.co.uk
enquiries@lpdlabservices.co.uk

Tel 01254-676 074
Fax 01254-278 845

Jason Cropper – Pillbox38 (UK) and (USA) Ltd
Unit 1 Brook Mill Complex
Branch Road
Lower Darwen
Lancashire BB3 0PR


This report shall not be reproduced except in full, without written approval of the laboratory
 

Description

One type of electronic cigarette ‘Cartridge’ was supplied to confirm the nicotine concentration found within the electronic cigarette ‘Cartridge’, and suggest a classification for the products under the current CHIP Regulations.

The product was as follows: -
•   Titan Cartridges Medium Tabacco Strength (20 cigarettes) 14mg

The electronic cigarette which replicates the action of smoking, producing a tobacco aromatised smoke which when inhaled quickly delivers the nicotine to the lung.

The Electronic Cigarettes do not contain “Tobacco” as such, but are formulated using a refined tobacco leaf extract, where the extract used in manufacture may typically contain >= 95% Nicotine. The EC cartridges should therefore be exempt from the current Tobacco Legislation.

Nicotine is classified as a poison and is on the “Poisons List A”, however, there are “No special restrictions to any purchasing group”. It is therefore appropriate to deal with the electronic cigarettes under the CHIP Regulations.

An electronic cigarette ‘Cartridge’ was removed from a protective cellophane sachet ready to be dismantled. A small amount of liquid droplets were identified within the cellophane sachet presumably indicating some of the nicotine solution had leaked with time from the cartridge. The outside of the cartridge was wiped dry with tissues and the ‘Cartridge’ weighed before extraction of the nicotine solution.

The electronic cigarette ‘Cartridge’ was then dismantled by carefully removing the translucent rubber end cap, and then carefully pulling out the felt loaded with the nicotine solution using a pair of tweezers from the black plastic body of the cartridge.

Following extraction of the nicotine solution using the technique described in section 1 below, the cartridge components were dried at 100oC for 1 hour, cooled, and then reweighed. The weight of nicotine solution in the cartridge was thus calculated by difference.


The Nicotine Assay
1.   Sample Extraction for GC Nicotine Assay - Cartridge
All equipment was washed at least three times with pure acetone then air dried before use; this included the 50 ml graduated flask, glass filter funnel with integral glass sintered support plate, and steel tweezers.

A single cartridge was slowly disassembled and each sub-component rinsed in turn with pure Propan-1-ol solvent, with all washing being collected using a glass funnel in a 50 ml graduated flask.

The nicotine solution was efficiently extracted from the ‘felt’ by careful washing with pure Propan-1-ol solvent 10 times, and subsequently collecting the washings  in a 50 ml graduated flask and made up to the mark with pure Propan-1-ol. The flask was shaken 10 times to mix the contents prior to analysis.

2.   Calibration of GC Nicotine Assay Method
A nicotine drug standard was obtained from Sigma-Aldrich with a concentration of 1.05 mg/ml of (-) Nicotine in methanol.

Part Number:      N5511
Lot No:         077K5003
Concentration:       1.05 mg Nicotine/ ml
Expiration Date:       December 2010

3.   GC Nicotine Assay Method
The samples were analysed at LPD Lab Services Ltd to determine the nicotine concentration present by GC (Gas Chromatography).

Column:       Heliflex AT-1 Dimethylpolysiloxane Capillary Column
   – 30 m x 0.53 µm x 5 µm
Temperature:   150oC for 1 min, ramp 10oC/min to 250oC, 250oC for
         19 min, 15 min equilibration
Analysis Time:   30min
Injection:      Split less
Carrier gas:      Helium

The GC method employed was of the ‘external standard type’ where the detector response for the nicotine component was calibrated based on peak area, after injecting a set volume of standard (0.5 µl). The detector response factor for Nicotine is evaluated and stored in the calibration file on the Chromatographic data processor.

The syringe used for injecting the samples was cleaned between samples using pure acetone.

Each ‘unknown’ sample is analysed by injecting an identical volume onto the GC system (0.5 µl as when calibrating) and the integrated peak area is used to calculate the nicotine content of the cartridge by applying the detector response factor and the dilution factor to the integrated peak area for nicotine.

Provided that the weight of the nicotine solution extracted from each cartridge is calculated, the nicotine content can be further expressed as either: -
•   mg nicotine / cartridge, or mg nicotine / g nicotine solution
•   or % w/w nicotine in the nicotine solution

4.   GC Nicotine Assay Results
The nicotine standard was injected neat on to the GC system without any form of dilution. Each sample cartridge was subject to a dilution factor of fifty times prior to analysis.

Table 1 – Summary of GC nicotine Assay Data
Type   Nicotine peak area   Conc. mg nicotine
/ml Dilution   Dilution Factor   Conc.  Of original Nicotine Solution
mg Nicotine
/cigarette cartridge   Wt. Nicotine solution in cigarette cartridge
(g)   Conc.
mg Nicotine/g of nicotine Solution   % Nicotine in Nicotine Solution
(%)
1.05 mg/ml std   2068.004   1.05   N/A   N/A   N/A   N/A   N/A
Titan Cartridge   233.807   0.1187   50   5.9356   0.5675   10.4592   1.05

A detector response factor for nicotine of 0.5077 was used in the calculation of the concentration of nicotine in the dilution.



5.   Discussion
The nicotine solution in the electronic cigarette ‘Cartridge’ has been investigated by LPD Lab Services Ltd, in order to confirm the quantity of nicotine currently found within the nicotine solution formulation, and suggest a classification of the preparation according to the hazards identified.

•   The nicotine solution in the Titan Black Atomised Cartridge has been determined as 1.05%, and it is suggested that this cartridge should be classified as “Toxic”.

6.   CHIP Regulations
The nicotine levels have been determined for each e-cigarette ‘Cartridge’, and the classification has been suggested below.

Suggested Classification: -
   “Toxic”   - for preparations containing nicotine at concentrations is >=1% but < 7%

For any product containing nicotine for use by the general public such as e-cigarettes, it is recommended that an ‘expert packaging company’ that has a full understanding of the current CHIP regulations and any possible forthcoming changes to regulations be consulted so that the e-cigarettes are packaged and labelled correctly for Trading Standards purposes prior to going on sale.

Such an ‘expert packaging company’ may be found at: -
www.chemsoft.co.uk or via neil.smith@chemsoft.co.uk

7.   References
a)   Chemicals (Hazard  Information and Packaging for Supply) Regulations 2009


Analysts Name: Mike Ellicott
Function:
Signature: (hard copy only)________________

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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2010, 03:20:37 PM »

Nicotine Assay of Batch #10002 Unflavoured Propylene Glycol Base Nicotine E-liquid
Report Number: F252C

Mike Ellicott
6th September 2010

LPD Lab Services Limited
D Building Philips Site,
Philips Road
Blackburn
Lancashire, BB1 5RZ
United Kingdom
www.lpdlabservices.co.uk
enquiries@lpdlabservices.co.uk

Tel 01254-676 074
Fax 01254-278 845

Jason Cropper – Pillbox38 (UK) and (USA) Ltd
Unit 1 Brook Mill Complex
Branch Road
Lower Darwen
Lancashire BB3 0PR


This report shall not be reproduced except in full, without written approval of the laboratory
 

Description

One type of electronic cigarette ‘E-liquid’ was supplied to confirm the nicotine concentration found within the electronic cigarette ‘E-liquid’, and suggest a classification for the products under the current CHIP Regulations.

The product was as follows: -
•   Batch #10002 Unflavoured PG Base 3.6% (HDPE bottle)

The electronic cigarette which replicates the action of smoking, producing a tobacco aromatised smoke which when inhaled quickly delivers the nicotine to the lung.

The Electronic Cigarettes do not contain “Tobacco” as such, but are formulated using a refined tobacco leaf extract, where the extract used in manufacture may typically contain >= 95% Nicotine. The EC cartridges should therefore be exempt from the current Tobacco Legislation.

Nicotine is classified as a poison and is on the “Poisons List A”, however, there are “No special restrictions to any purchasing group”. It is therefore appropriate to deal with the electronic cigarettes under the CHIP Regulations.

The bottle of E-liquid was shaken 10 times prior to any samples being taken from the bottle.

The weight of 1 ml nicotine solution pipetted from the bottle of E-liquid was recorded, so that an estimate of the density of the E-liquid could be made.


The Nicotine Assay
1.   Sample Extraction for GC Nicotine Assay – E-liquid
All equipment was washed at least three times with pure acetone then air dried before use; this included the 50 ml graduated flask.

A 1 ml sample of the nicotine solution was pipetted in a 50 ml graduated flask and made up to the mark with pure Propan-1-ol. The flask was shaken 10 times to mix the contents prior to analysis.
2.   Calibration of GC Nicotine Assay Method
A nicotine drug standard was obtained from Sigma-Aldrich with a concentration of 1.05 mg/ml of (-) Nicotine in methanol.

Part Number:      N5511
Lot No:         077K5003
Concentration:       1.05 mg Nicotine/ ml
Expiration Date:       December 2010

3.   GC Nicotine Assay Method
The samples were analysed at LPD Lab Services Ltd to determine the nicotine concentration present by GC (Gas Chromatography).

Column:       Heliflex AT-1 Dimethylpolysiloxane Capillary Column
   – 30 m x 0.53 µm x 5 µm
Temperature:   150oC for 1 min, ramp 10oC/min to 250oC, 250oC for
         19 min, 15 min equilibration
Analysis Time:   30min
Injection:      Split less
Carrier gas:      Helium

The GC method employed was of the ‘external standard type’ where the detector response for the nicotine component was calibrated based on peak area, after injecting a set volume of standard (0.5 µl). The detector response factor for Nicotine is evaluated and stored in the calibration file on the Chromatographic data processor.

The syringe used for injecting the samples was cleaned between samples using pure acetone.

Each ‘unknown’ sample is analysed by injecting an identical volume onto the GC system (0.5 µl as when calibrating) and the integrated peak area is used to calculate the nicotine content of the cartridge by applying the detector response factor and the dilution factor to the integrated peak area for nicotine.

Provided that the density of the nicotine solution in the bottle of E-liquid has been estimated, the nicotine content can be further expressed as either: -
•   mg nicotine / ml of nicotine solution
•   or % w/w nicotine in the nicotine solution


4.   GC Nicotine Assay Results
The nicotine standard was injected neat on to the GC system without any form of dilution. Each sample cartridge was subject to a dilution factor of fifty times prior to analysis.

Table 1 – Summary of GC nicotine Assay Data
Type   Nicotine peak area   Conc. mg nicotine
/ml Dilution   Dilution Factor   Conc.  Of original Nicotine Solution
mg Nicotine
/ml   Wt. 1ml Nicotine solution
(g)   Conc.
mg Nicotine/g of nicotine Solution   % Nicotine in Nicotine Solution
(%)
1.05 mg/ml std   2068.004   1.05   N/A   N/A   N/A   N/A   N/A
Batch #10002   1479.946   0.7393   50   36.9663   1.0268   36.0015   3.60

A detector response factor for nicotine of 0.5077 was used in the calculation of the concentration of nicotine in the dilution, and the density of the E-liquid solution was estimated at 1.0268 g/ml.



5.   Discussion
The nicotine solution in the electronic cigarette ‘E-liquid’ has been investigated by LPD Lab Services Ltd, in order to confirm the quantity of nicotine currently found within the nicotine solution formulation, and suggest a classification of the preparation according to the hazards identified.

•   The nicotine solution in the Batch #10002 Unflavoured Propylene Glycol Base E-liquid has been determined as 3.60%, and it is suggested that this cartridge should be classified as “Toxic”.








6.   CHIP Regulations
The nicotine levels have been determined for each e-cigarette ‘E-liquid’, and the classification has been suggested below.

Suggested Classification: -
   “Toxic”   - for preparations containing nicotine at concentrations is >=1% but < 7%

For any product containing nicotine for use by the general public such as e-cigarettes, it is recommended that an ‘expert packaging company’ that has a full understanding of the current CHIP regulations and any possible forthcoming changes to regulations be consulted so that the e-cigarettes are packaged and labelled correctly for Trading Standards purposes prior to going on sale.

Such an ‘expert packaging company’ may be found at: -
www.chemsoft.co.uk or via neil.smith@chemsoft.co.uk

7.   References
a)   Chemicals (Hazard  Information and Packaging for Supply) Regulations 2009


Analysts Name: Mike Ellicott
Function:
Signature: (hard copy only)________________

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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2010, 03:22:21 PM »

There are the first parts of the reports.

The second part is the GCMS results, soon as i have these i will Turn them into PDFS and publish on the site.
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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2010, 03:49:55 PM »

thanks again Jason.. looking forward to seeing the full reports on the site to check out.
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2010, 04:04:05 PM »

Ive noticed two errors.

Report B the Titan Cart should be 11mg medium not 14.

Report C the Plat Ice should say 54mg not 3.6%

Ive emailed Mike at the Lab to look into these mistakes.
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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2010, 04:12:04 PM »

A few things...

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"•   The nicotine solution in the Totally Wicked Platinum Ice E-liquid has been determined as 3.71%,"
...how does that translate to the 54mg advertised strength? What is the math that gets there, or what should the strength read on the label if not 54mg?

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"•   The nicotine solution in the Batch #10002 Unflavoured Propylene Glycol Base E-liquid has been determined as 3.60%"
"•   The nicotine solution in the Virgina Gold E-liquid has been determined as 3.58%"
...aren't these advertised/labeled as 36mg strength?  Why is the result so close to the platinum ice "54mg" strength?

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I believe the original question was not only for the nicotine level, which is great to see evaluated don't get me wrong... but any general screening of the products for all knows toxins.  Basically, how do we know we are not inhaling lead?  (probably not a good example, but you get the idea.)  Any tests like that available?
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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2010, 06:46:54 PM »

JPH >>>Good questions, the second part of the test is the GCMS this is the test that specifys exactly what you have pointed out is missing.

I believe he has got his figures incorrect for the Platinum ice i will ask him to re test it..
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2010, 08:08:50 PM »

Well, I've been in contact with Jason, and am waiting to hear back from the lab. I think it is most likely a badly pasted column in the report (since the product description is also wrong: "3.6%" instead of "5.4%",) or a confusion of samples, but we shall see.

Yes, it most definitely should be reading ~5.4% not 3.7%, and the margin for error should be no more than a few 1/10s of a % in this kind of test. I don't believe I've made an error in the mixing (we have a lot of QC mechanisms in place to ensure that even were such an error made, defective product could never be inadvertently released,) but if I have, I'll hold my hands up to it. The buck stops with me.
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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2010, 08:15:23 PM »

Peter

I think its the Test

All others are spot on.

No way is the platinum Ice 3.6%, we will get it sorted out tomorrow.
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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2010, 08:28:00 PM »

Peter

I think its the Test

All others are spot on.

No way is the platinum Ice 3.6%, we will get it sorted out tomorrow.

Yeah, I'm sure you're right. I think customers would notice if their nicotine was suddenly slashed by 33% (they certainly did notice when the Red Label was short, and I've seen no posts complaining that the PI is suddenly unexpectedly unsatisfying.) I'm sure we'll sort it out - it'll be something simple I expect  (it usually is.)
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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2010, 11:39:39 PM »

I go with the CBA copy and paste report syndrome! (Cant't Be Arsed)  Embarrassed

I would guess that it is the fault of their admin dept and not that of the lab techs.  Undecided

Someone has been caught out with their lazy/ laid back  approach to providing serious answers (paid for at that!) - damn those right click buttons on mice!  Angry
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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2010, 02:21:36 AM »

Well, I've been in contact with Jason, and am waiting to hear back from the lab. I think it is most likely a badly pasted column in the report (since the product description is also wrong: "3.6%" instead of "5.4%",) or a confusion of samples, but we shall see.
Problem is, now the whole process is tainted.  ...if they admit they made a mistake, then who's to say they didn't make other mistakes?  Or did they fudge this result to be in the range they expected?  It doesn't seem to be EXACTLY the same as others, so not an "accidental" duplication there, so what did they test that gave those results?  Or if they claim they did not make a mistake and you send them another sample... how will anyone really know what happened, no matter what the second results are?

It is always a matter of accountability and reputation.  This confuses things.

Probably should have been / needs to be more of a blind analysis.  You could publish here some encrypted list of the samples you sent to be tested, then after the results get back, publish the key to unlock the list.  Then we could all see that sample "A" was supposed to be 24mg, and was verified, "B" should have been 54mg and was verified, etc.

OK, probably i am overthinking it, and anyone along the way could fudge results if they wanted to.  We need an objective third party.
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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2010, 04:28:32 PM »

Yes - blind testing with coded sample labels would definitely be an improvement to the methodology!

I don't know which batch the sample was from, but I've just run a test on the current batch in our stockroom (#009-01) using DVap's simplified assay method (we haven't got GC/MS inhouse,) and it's showing a nicotine content of (almost embarassingly) spot-on 54mg/ml. The max +/-deviation from the target strength I've ever seen in previous testing of PI (mine or 3rd party,) was 0.2mg/ml, which I consider to be well within an acceptable margin of test error (inevitably magnified with small samples.)
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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2010, 02:41:59 AM »

And don't get me wrong, Nick, I think you are an honest guy and trying to give people the backup info they want.  But the facts are the facts.  This is still an emerging product category, and in sort of a gray area for industry standards, and even if nay-sayers tend to be alarmist, there is a valid point that some scrutiny is warranted.  I think it is good that you are trying to be out front with third-party info, but in an environment where there is already suspicion, it is hard to do yourself.  It is almost like we need a vapers' association or some such group not associated with the manufacturers or suppliers, to buy random samples and get them tested.
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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2010, 03:30:52 AM »

And don't get me wrong, Nick, I think you are an honest guy and trying to give people the backup info they want.  But the facts are the facts.  This is still an emerging product category, and in sort of a gray area for industry standards, and even if nay-sayers tend to be alarmist, there is a valid point that some scrutiny is warranted.  I think it is good that you are trying to be out front with third-party info, but in an environment where there is already suspicion, it is hard to do yourself.  It is almost like we need a vapers' association or some such group not associated with the manufacturers or suppliers, to buy random samples and get them tested.

Yeah, ECITA's looking into that, and I hope maybe they can come up with something. The trouble is that the only people who can afford the £1000s to get GC/MS tests done are the ones who are involved in supplying the juice. I rather doubt any of the Vapers' networks and clubs out there have the funds to budget 3 grand a pop for testing like this Sad

For anyone who's concerned though (or even merely curious,) it is not a difficult process to conduct your own chemical assays at home - It takes about $20 worth of easily obtainable equipment and reagents, and the instructions are very simple (you really don't need a chemistry degree to do it - just follow the instructions, and you'll have a result in 10 minutes.)
Unlike GC/MS, it won't tell you what other ingredients are in the juice, or how pure the nicotine is, and it doesn't work so well with some flavoured juices, but for unflavoured juices it's a very robust test methodology that will accurately measure the nicotine strength to within a very small margin of error.
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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2010, 04:23:35 AM »

For anyone who's concerned though (or even merely curious,) it is not a difficult process to conduct your own chemical assays at home

I wanted to look at that link, but I'm having a lot of trouble with ECF today.  IE8 keeps saying it can't display the page anywhere on ECF.  I tried the site on another computer and got the same thing.  Anyone else having trouble with ECF using IE8?
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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2010, 04:24:49 AM »

Well, maybe there could be some unholy alliance made.  A group of suppliers puts some money in a fund, and some other group, with a reputation for being interested but unbiased, uses the funds to buy randomly and anonymously from each of those sponsoring suppliers and a few others, throw in a few placebos or modified samples for a twist, and get the tests done at a couple different labs (again, randomly).

Nothing is perfect, but something like that would add a lot of weight to the reliability of the results.
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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2010, 04:30:17 AM »

I wanted to look at that link, but I'm having a lot of trouble with ECF today.  IE8 keeps saying it can't display the page anywhere on ECF.  I tried the site on another computer and got the same thing.  Anyone else having trouble with ECF using IE8?
Nope, IE8 / win7 here.  just tried it no prob.
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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2010, 04:38:02 AM »

Yeah, ECITA's looking into that, and I hope maybe they can come up with something.

Although in an unrelated area, my experience has been that in a void of industry standards, governments feel the need to step in even though they may know they aren't really qualified to do so.

But, where a given industry does set up its own standards and requirements for accreditation, governments are more likely to adopt the standards/requirements developed but the industry themselves and leave it up to the given industry for regulation and enforcement.

Eventually the ECITA is going to have to step up and do the job that none of us want the governments to do.

Ignoring governments for the moment, consumers having the ability to verify that a given supplier/manufacturer is living up to standards is what will likely make the difference between what is almost a sub-culture and what is more main-stream.

If standards are set up for all phases of production and distribution with participants being ISO-9001 certified, there will then be little cause for concern.
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2010, 05:22:48 AM »

Vapin I think that is a valid observation. Well said.
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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2010, 03:21:17 PM »

Yeah, ECITA's looking into that, and I hope maybe they can come up with something.

Although in an unrelated area, my experience has been that in a void of industry standards, governments feel the need to step in even though they may know they aren't really qualified to do so.

But, where a given industry does set up its own standards and requirements for accreditation, governments are more likely to adopt the standards/requirements developed but the industry themselves and leave it up to the given industry for regulation and enforcement.

Eventually the ECITA is going to have to step up and do the job that none of us want the governments to do.

Ignoring governments for the moment, consumers having the ability to verify that a given supplier/manufacturer is living up to standards is what will likely make the difference between what is almost a sub-culture and what is more main-stream.

If standards are set up for all phases of production and distribution with participants being ISO-9001 certified, there will then be little cause for concern.

Hi, all,

Yes, ECITA is indeed looking into this, and we are going to be including this as part of the overall regulatory package which we are rolling out throughout Trading Standards Offices and our membership. Eventually, we should have a robust and credible regulatory system which functions properly, so that government need not intervene with too heavy a hand. This is what we shall be discussing with them at our meeting next Tuesday - updates to follow.

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