PI/TI VG based

[Kenneth131]

Ok so i was making up some mixes and it occurred to me when doing the calculations the PI/TI will not be 100% VG. It must be about 85% VG but if anyone knows the actual percentages it would be great

Cheers Kenny

[RichJr]

That's why I rather use my herc VG than PI VG. The herc is much thicker and I'd assume it's not cut with water. PI must be cut as its thin just like PG. When I use PI I like to put a bit of extra VG into my mix to keep VG up where I want it.

I'd like to know how much water is in PI and TI also.

[chops]

The nicotine is mg so would be negligible in the PI or TI. But whether it is added in a carrier, altering the proportions in a supposedly 100% VG solution I don't know. I have to assume that it's 100% VG.

It can all be confusing Kenneth. It dawned on me this time I ordered PI, that if I bought VG as opposed to PG, I should only need to add PG to it to get roughly a 25% ratio VG to my mix, then I can add a little more VG to get it to 30 - 40% if needed. I don't know why I tend to use PG usually, as it means a lot more messing about thinning VG to add, but there you go, habit. Handy to know that the VG PI/TI is in AG form. I'm also assuming that the flavourings are in a PG base, but they might be in a VG base.

I had a bottle of  PI I bought at least a year ago. I got it out last week to use (100 mls of the stuff) and realised it was PEG, I have no idea why I bought PEG  . But it's buggered up every DCT carto I've put it in. Not wicking and making the coils burn too hot. The carto never quite recovers after a bath in that stuff. Tried it as a last ditch on a clearomiser, slight improvement but it's still creating issues with the coils and the taste isn't good. It's okay for DDing and seems okay in a cart, but I'm not DDing or using carts on atomisers. That one's a mystery. Just glad that PEG is no longer an option to slip up on and order 

[RichJr]

There's a few things to know here. At low percentages, VG does not need to be thinned. It can be but @10-20% it's not at all needed. Many others including myself use up to 50% VG without cutting it (also depends in the hardware). When the cold hit I started to cut my VG with 5% water and it just stuck. AG is VG cut with water. So in any mix that uses AG it can be broken down to VG and water. Now they can be counted separately and adjusted in a mix.
As for the PI I believe he's talking about the carrier (VG) being thinned down with water hence it not being a full 100% (94.6% for PI as 5.4% is nic) VG after the fact which has to be true since it is very thin like PG.

For PI it's 5.4% 99.9 pure nicotine and TI is 7.2% 99.9 pure nicotine the rest of the 100% is AG base. But what is the amount of water that makes up the AG base?

Long day someone check my numbers please.

[chops]

For PI it's 5.4% 99.9 pure nicotine and TI is 7.2% 99.9 pure nicotine the rest of the 100% is AG base. But what is the amount of water that makes up the AG base?

So Kenneths issue is how thinned is the VG base?

VG is usually thinned at 5-10%.... more maths required for a theoretical range of VG content...

Bit itallic heavy there, sorry 


(I'm not sure I agree with you on VG thinning not being required at low amounts. I've found that slight thinning still helps, particularly with carto systems where viscosity matters. Personal preference counts too, always )

[RichJr]

The viscosity of VG will be reduced by PG to a point. Meaning adding a large PG to a small amount of VG will thin out the VG a bit. Depending on how much VG, extra water might not be nessacerry. As I've said above different hardware could require a thinner mix. There will always be preference involved. That's why mixing is so great.  Since day one.

As for AG, usually (or it used to be) it's 85% VG to 15% water but we think Dr. Bilal might have upped the amount of water for hardware and temperature or other reasons.