Is this our last New Year?

[K8]

True, I'm not worried as I believe that to have a 'beginning' you have to have an 'end' before it.  I don't believe the world will end (for one thing in the entire history of the world, human kind is still only a baby).  I do believe this year will mark the beginning of a new way of thinking, a kind and caring way of thinking.  There is nothing to worry about but everything to look forward to.  I'm not saying this transition will be easy though.  There are tough times ahead but as Neil Donald Walsch puts it, it's the "Storm before the Calm".

This thread is so much more, than I thought it would be.  People are opening up and sharing their real feelings, (denial & acceptance) which is only for the greater good for everyone.

Kate

[Aussie]

This is slightly off-topic, but I feel I have some hidden power when knowing there is going to be a disaster of some sort.

A month before the Tsunami hit Indonesia, I predicted that there was going to be a great big earthquake somewhere. I was at the photocopy machine at work and just spatted out "there's going to be an earthquake" to the reception staff.

I know Christchurch NZ has been hit with the same recently, but I had the strongest feeling late last week that they are going to be hit by another big one (not an after shock).  We'll see what happens.

[tiddler]

Hey Aussie

Any hints on next weeks winning lottery numbers by any chance     

[K8]

Hey tiddler he said he might be able to predict disasters not numbers lol

Kate

[tiddler]

Hey tiddler he said he might be able to predict disasters not numbers lol

Kate

Well it would be a disaster for my bank manager.... He'd have a heart attack if he was to see any actual money in my account      

[lordy]

When you look at Biblical prophecy, the key milestone for the beginning of the end was the reformation of Israel as a nation. Thousands of years of people laughing and saying it was impossible... but look, there it is, on a map, after not existing for over a millennia!

Revelations talks about signs of the end with wars, rumours of wars, famine, pestilence and an increase in natural disasters. BUT it also says that nobody knows when the end will come... so if prophets couldn't say with certainty when the end of the world would come, I don't see how the average blogger can say with certainty that we'll be wiped out before the year's out.

Besides, biblically the promise is of a new heavens and earth - a new Jerusalem. That suggests that the end will not be an end; just a new beginning. It's okay, I appreciate it's weird for someone to believe this stuff, but all other biblical prophecies have been startlingly accurate.

Apologies if anyone takes this as bible bashing - certainly not intended! I just find eschatology fascinating.

[K8]

.........Apologies if anyone takes this as bible bashing - certainly not intended! I just find eschatology fascinating.

No need to apologise for your beliefs/interests.  What other things has the bible predicted that has come true?

Kate

[JohnEAngel]

i am somewhat skeptical of the Bible in that the word 'prophet'  back in their day meant poet, or story-teller. 

[lordy]

Wow, where to begin. Many years studying is difficult to collate into a several paragraphs on a vaping forum!

Front and foremost is the fact that 1/3rd of the Bible is prophecy. 2/3rds of this related to the coming of the messiah. EG Isiah pre-dates Jesus by around 700 years yet he predicted accurately the way in which he would be born and how he would die. Then there's the 2300 day prophesy from the book of Daniel (which specifies precisely what a majority of historians now believe was accurate to the year of Jesus' birth), through to Daniel's interpretation of Nebuchanezars dreams. Add to that the book of Revelations where it explicitly says that Rome will be reformed (EU) and that Israel would stand again as a nation and many startling corrolations start to appear.

Like I say I'm no pro, just someone who's seen the way that others have joined the dots and been blown away. If you're actually inreigued to learn more I can make a reading list.

Like all things you will find some archaeologists, historians etc that will testify to the validity and accuracy of the scriptures, just as you'll find those who refute them at every turn. It's worth looking for yourself as opposed to chosing others' opinions ad verbatim and following the evidence wherever it leads.

A great book to start with is Lee Strobel - the Case for Christ. If you can get your head round the validity and accuracy of the books and the times they were written, it's much easietr to accept the things that they have to say. I truly believe that you don't have to switch your brain off to accept the validity of thye gospels. In fact the more you research the authenticity of the historical texts and the prophecies already fulfilled, the more 'faith' becomes a matter of fact, not just a blind acceptance of ideals with no grounding.

[JohnEAngel]

you are absolutely correct.  as an example, Thomas Paine's (founding father of the US)  Age of Reason is a case against the scriptures.  but in the end, who knows?  too many pros and cons on both sides of the coin.  that's why i don't label myself.  i don't want to identify with anyone elses thoughts or ideals.  cuz like they said on that beer commercial long, long ago.  we're all in this together. 

[8Ball]

I'm not going to get into my belief system (or lack thereof) here.  One thing I do believe though is that we all have the right to believe whatever we wish.  I think it goes a little too far with some groups though.  Some people read the bible and take everything a little too literally (Lewis Black has a good routine about this).  These are the people who watch "The Flintstones" and think it's a nice documentary.  And I guess I don't really have a problem with that either until they want to remove any reference of Darwin from the texts, build dioramas that depict cave men riding around on dinosaurs, and then teach that as science fact to our children.  I think the whole of religious teaching should be left up to the parrents... well, at least until the kids go to college.  I don't think they're really able to do much thinking for themselves until then (of course some would argue I've never got there either ).

One more thing I strongly believe.  Perception is reality for each and every one of us.  And I've no more right to doubt your reality than you do mine.  If you look at a stoplight and see different colors than what I'm seeing, who am I to say your perception (reality) is wrong and mine is right.  Go ahead, argue the colors of a stop light with a color-blind person.  Tell them how wrong they are.... that's only going to prove just how wrong you are.   And my point in all this is?..... I've no idea.  Maybe I never had one.....  Just random musings from the naughty corner.  OK caz, I'm ready to go back to my nice padded cell now.    Could I have some of that special hot coco that makes me all warm and happy inside... you know, the stuff that calms me down and makes me sleep for three or four days, and makes me forget my name?   I think I'd like some of that about now....     and could I have some petite marshmallows on top again too please.....  Thank you.

[caz]

Dont think we got the planning permission for a cafe/restaurant 

[8Ball]

......sighhh....       back to hunting my own dinner again.... those cockroaches are getting harder to catch too!.....     and this straight jacket isn't helping any......   sighhh.  


 

                                       

[caz]

......sighhh....       back to hunting my own dinner again.... those cockroaches are getting harder to catch too!.....      and this straight jacket isn't helping any......   sighhh. 


 

here you go enjoy           

[8Ball]

Awww thanks caz.... but... um.... well, the head on that thing kind of looks like Vincent Price.... and he keeps saying "help me" in a small squeaky voice every time I put him in my mouth...... Ahhh well, maybe I'll just make a pet out of the little feller instead.  We could play games together and he could keep me company down here.  I think I'll name him *choke*........ *gag*....... *hack*... *cough*........... *GULP*....   oh!  ......... Dinner.         

[caz]

How did we go from Is This Our Last New Year   to  cockroaches 


 

[dereck72]

Kinda fitting...some say the cockroaches will outlast us after all is said and done

[caz]

    maybe its a sign 

[lordy]

you are absolutely correct.  as an example, Thomas Paine's (founding father of the US)  Age of Reason is a case against the scriptures.  but in the end, who knows?  too many pros and cons on both sides of the coin.  that's why i don't label myself.  i don't want to identify with anyone elses thoughts or ideals.  cuz like they said on that beer commercial long, long ago.  we're all in this together. 

That's the thing JohnE, whatever belief lies at the core of a person, whether that be a belief in something or a belief in nothing, we manifest it by whatever 'evidence' we're exposed to. What one person reads as a strong case for something can read to another like a strong case against it. In that way 'truth' is elusive and who can know? Belief in evolution is a faith, just as is creationism (8ball, I don't believe in a young earth, don't worry!) as both belief structures have been formulated by others who are looking at the same evidence and interpreting it in two entirely different ways. There are crack-pot young earth theories but I've also read credible works that discredit the theories on the geological table (such as petrified trees running impossibly through multiple layers of stratum, for example), and also discredited aspects of darwinism. Does that mean darwinism is flawed? You betcha, but no more or less flawed than any other belief system.

I've never studied microbiology just as I've never studied archaeology or geology - in that way, we're all accepting the conclusions given to us by such academics/scholars by faith. When evaluating people's conclusions the question is always 'who is the most credible' but in that way, so long as the evidence is just as strong towards two conflicting theories, the one we choose to accept is predetermined by our underlying belief. Even in intellectual studies we're still completely affected by bias!

If I say now that I hate religion I'm sure it'll raise eyebrows but religion is the way you divide the world into good people and bad people and tell yourself you're one of the good ones. A lot of people think of this as a side effect of monotheism but if we're honest with ourselves, it's to do with the way we think, regardless of what we believe.

Some atheists look down their nose at people that don't see the world in exactly the same way as they do, just the same as some christians, muslims, sikhs, hindus do. They think their belief system makes them better humans than 'the others' (ie, those that don't share their belief) which simply isn't true. If atheists are just as inclined to divide the world between the good and the bad based on their core belief then it shows that religion isn't just a condition suffered by those that have monotheistic tendencies.

Reading back I've basically written what 8ball's written, just in a different way!

[Timuk]

Some great posts above.....

Now to completely lower the tone and IQ level of all this....

The only people that should be concerned about the end of the world is whomever runs MasterCard.........going to ramp mine right up (though Christmas has helped already)...... so, just incase they do have it right.......I am certainly not going out with a zero balance

Sorry.... Now over to the intelligent sensible people on here.......

[lordy]

Wow! Umm... way to kill a thread.Guess I should really take that kinda talk to philosophy101.com, and take myself to the naughty corner 

Anyway... what Timuk said Think you got the right idea mate. I'll take my less frivolous musings elsewhere - appreciate this forum probably isn't the place for that kinda talk - for some reason it felt kinda topical.

Move along people, nothing to see here 

Apologies, don't want to make anything awkward (but probably doing so more with each word here!)

[8Ball]

Kinda fitting...some say the cockroaches will outlast us after all is said and done

Thanks dereck... I knew you'd twig to it bro.

   maybe its a sign 

Out of order sign?




lordy.  Not sure what you're on about mate.     If any of the posts in this thread were gong to kill it, I think it would have been mine.  I thoroughly enjoyed you post, and I guess I kind of thought that was the whole point of this thread (no, not to enjoy the posts..... well, that too I guess..... awwww, I've derailed again).  Um... just meant I thought you post fit right in, and was a goodun.  Look mate, if you're starting to think like me (and don't get mad at me for saying that!  Your words: "Reading back I've basically written what 8ball's written, just in a different way!"    see? )  then you've got more on your plate to worry about than the end of the world or any of the rest of this.

[lordy]

Arrgh! Note to self - 'do not post on forums after too many vodkas'.

Not very often I talk about this stuff and realise that to a lot of people it's quite ridiculous. I guess I felt a bit over-exposed after talking about something I rarely talk about and got a bit paranoid.   

And yes 8ball, given that we're posting similar view point using different 'language' then you better budge over a bit and get the straight jacket ready. Naughty corner here I come! Any chance of reconsidering that cafe caz? I've not eaten cockroaches since... well... I'd rather not talk about it   

[caz]

Arrgh! Note to self - 'do not post on forums after too many vodkas'.

Not very often I talk about this stuff and realise that to a lot of people it's quite ridiculous. I guess I felt a bit over-exposed after talking about something I rarely talk about and got a bit paranoid.   

And yes 8ball, given that we're posting similar view point using different 'language' then you better budge over a bit and get the straight jacket ready. Naughty corner here I come! Any chance of reconsidering that cafe caz? I've not eaten cockroaches since... well... I'd rather not talk about it   

Fraid not lordy  you have to catch ya own dinner around here,   sure 8ball will show you the tricks of the trade,  he's had enough practise 

Sooo the terrible trio  8ball,  lordy and JohnE  lol.     

[K8]

While we are talking about God, Angels, beliefs and non-beliefs etc..... has anyone heard of the 11:11 phenomena?  Or anyone experienced it?

Deadly silence...... 

oh and by the way - I want all the Christmas hats back, that I lent out.  Cleaned and pressed, ready for next year, (yes I believe there will be a 'next year').  That includes you 8ball.

Kate

[Timuk]

Lordy.....

Keep going, sorry if you thought I was being anything else other than jovial.....I think it was more of a case of too many lunchtime pints for me

Tim

[JohnEAngel]

Arrgh! Note to self - 'do not post on forums after too many vodkas'.

Not very often I talk about this stuff and realise that to a lot of people it's quite ridiculous. I guess I felt a bit over-exposed after talking about something I rarely talk about and got a bit paranoid.   

And yes 8ball, given that we're posting similar view point using different 'language' then you better budge over a bit and get the straight jacket ready. Naughty corner here I come! Any chance of reconsidering that cafe caz? I've not eaten cockroaches since... well... I'd rather not talk about it   

your posts were fine.  and, i only post while sloshed. 

[8Ball]

While we are talking about God, Angels, beliefs and non-beliefs etc..... has anyone heard of the 11:11 phenomena?  Or anyone experienced it?

Deadly silence...... 

oh and by the way - I want all the Christmas hats back, that I lent out.  Cleaned and pressed, ready for next year, (yes I believe there will be a 'next year').  That includes you 8ball.

Kate

Ummm.... starting to worry a bit about you Kate.  You took mine away awhile back and gave it to Ellie.  All I have left is this    which you're welcome to (I can no longer find batteries for it), and this     which you'd best leave me with.  Sorry.  You might want to check with caz.....   I think she still has hers (although after that xmas party I'm no sure you're going to want it back ).

[lordy]

While we are talking about God, Angels, beliefs and non-beliefs etc..... has anyone heard of the 11:11 phenomena?  Or anyone experienced it?

Kate

Not heard of that one Kate, care to elaborate? I heard someone else mention it recently but I can't remember the context!

Lordy.....

Keep going, sorry if you thought I was being anything else other than jovial.....I think it was more of a case of too many lunchtime pints for me

Tim

Actually I found your post very amusing! Blimey, is my paranoia contagious? Better keep check on it in future! Nah I certainly wasn't p****d at you, and sorry if I gave that impression.

your posts were fine.  and, i only post while sloshed. 

Well I'm at work at the moment so posting only when sloshed would cause me real-world problems as opposed to just kudos ones on here!

[eddy-r3]

This is just my input and again this is just my view and opinion and is in no way intended to offend or upset anyone.

I am a very keen physicist and astronomer and have been for nearly 10 years.
With the onset of imminent doom (as said by an odd few) i was interested to find out why, when and how....well.....the mayans 'predicted' the return of the destoyer, Nibiru (Marduk) for 2012 which has been taken out of context by a few, Sitchin and Lieder being the biggest names.

The talk of planets/stars coming and going in this highly elliptical orbit not only baffles science but the astronomy community laugh at it since its just a fallible theory, the elliptical orbit that the planet/star would need to take breaks the laws of physics, so you ask "how do you know that it cant happen?" Well, breaking basic physics means that everything we know on earth is wrong, some proponents of the stories (i say stories since to me that is what they are) claim that the planet/star will make the earth stop rotating for 3 days before restarting.....do you know how much energy this would take? and not to mention break Keplers law of planetary motion lol again, a basic law.

The 11:11 phenomenon, another intriguing argument, ever seen faces in the clouds? or Jesus on your burnt piece of toast? This is a known process called Paradolia, the ability to see faces, its what makes us human and we are pre programmed into using this method, its almost a safety net. Seeing patterns is another effect of the same methodology of thinking, we as humans like patterns and things that add up, its in our nature to be tidy and always have numbers that 'make sense' seeing 11:11 isn't new, numerology has been around for a long time and has happened before.

The amount of times that the world has been predicted to end and nothing has EVER happened is now unreal, the rapture was meant to happen May 21st 2011, did it? Then it was moved to October 21st 2011, nothing. Nancy Lieder one of the fore founders of the Nibiru claim  (Planet X) predicted the world would end 1993, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2003 and now 2012 since her story CAN tie in with the Mayans. The fact she was visited by beings from Zeta Reticuli (a binary star system located in Reticulum) says a lot to me as a scientist.

Fact of the matter is, does ANYONE have ANY REAL DEFINITIVE REPEATABLE evidence of anything associated with Biblical text, end of the world, aliens, UFO's, Planet X, Nibiru or anything else? I think you will find it hard to find such information.

Many thanks