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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2012, 04:19:07 PM » |
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To be honest the guy was being a bit of a jerk. I understand that there is very little chance of anyone being harmed by your vapor but having a bit of respect for the crew and doing what they tell you to do goes a long way to getting everyone where they want to go and on time. If you can't be respectful you should be booted off a flight besides FAA regulations require all passengers to comply with posted airline policies and crew directions regardless of the situations. Failure to comply with crew directions can open you up to federal prosecution and incarceration once you get off the plane. I don't work for any airlines but my mamma did teach me manners...  Canniscam |
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2012, 04:45:08 PM » |
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Anybody who ignores any instruction or direction from airline staff is incredibly stupid and just asking for trouble in today's climate
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2012, 04:47:20 PM » |
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Agreed... I guess the question I have is was it warranted. Does being a "bit of a jerk" warrant the flight being turned around? He was breaking a policy, not breaking any local, state, or federal laws.
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2012, 05:00:25 PM » |
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rgartley,
I highly doubt that I would have considered it necessary to turn the flight around but it's always up to the flights commanding officer to make that call. Unfortunately with the given FAA regulations any directives given by the flight crew carry the weight of the law in matters of health/wellness and flight security. Airline policies unfortunately are indisputable whilst in flight and once you hit the ground you become the judicial system's problem. If you have any personal freedom infringement concerns you will have to solve those through that system and litigation.
The airlines really do a follow the "It's better to ask for forgiveness than for permission." way of thinking.
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2012, 05:08:51 PM » |
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I have mixed feelings about this one.
To think that using an e-cigarette endangers anyone in the process of getting from start to destination is ludicrous beyond words. To penalise 100's for the [adolescent] actions of one person is ridiculous whichever way you look at it. It's not like he had a bomb or anything.
However, society is trying to work out how to categorise and treat 'vapers' and negative actions like this, of one person, affect all of us.
No right-minded civilised organisation would inconvenience 100's of people on account of one jerk. However, that's the society we live in. There are times where rebelling is necessary, there are times when it doesn't harm to cow-tow to the status quo.
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2012, 05:17:37 PM » |
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However, society is trying to work out how to categorise and treat 'vapers' and negative actions like this, of one person, affect all of us.
THIS! I believe this to be the real motive behind the situation. /one bad apple spoils the barrel |
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2012, 05:26:29 PM » |
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However, society is trying to work out how to categorise and treat 'vapers' and negative actions like this, of one person, affect all of us.
THIS! I believe this to be the real motive behind the situation. /one bad apple spoils the barrel That there post suggests we have [another] conspiracy theorist in our ranks! It's okay rgartley, you're in good company with me... however I don't think vapers are THAT important to the federal governments either side of our pond  |
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2012, 06:08:57 PM » |
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Before I read this article I was about saying that both the e-cig user and the air crew was stupid beyond belief. Now I can only say that his seems to have very little about e-cigs to do. More of a man acting as a complete moron and worry everyone. If someone refuse to do as the air crew tell him to do and "Other fed up passengers helped subdue the unruly man" and the man keep saying Allah is great it is a natural thing to do to turn the flight round. |
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2012, 06:25:58 PM » |
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@smokeless,
Good catch on the second article it is much more informative than the first which now seems to have the foul odor of propaganda wafting around it.
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2012, 06:47:57 PM » |
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Did not read too much about this, but he seemed like an ignorant @******. It said they turned the flight around when he refused to stop smoking his e cig, even if it is not illegal to use these in non smoking areas it could still obviously conflict with some businesses policies which weird enough seems to override the law. I mean, would it really have been that hard for him to walk to the rest room for a few toots?
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2012, 06:52:23 PM » |
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LMAO... This article is hilarious! Score one for big tobacco! /obvious undertone is obvious |
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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2012, 07:01:46 PM » |
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That is why I hate the media, one channel says its because of an e-cig when obviously he was fighting and screaming before that cause he couldn't sit next to his buddy.
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2012, 07:06:55 PM » |
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I don't work for any airlines but my mamma did teach me manners... Nice one |
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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2012, 07:10:54 PM » |
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@Cyborg
Thankie kindly Sai...
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« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2012, 07:13:33 PM » |
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Running the risk of upsetting people, but it would only happen in America!! (btw I love America and my fiancée is American) but the over the top relation has USA all over it ! In the UK we would employ some common sense. As a frequent traveller I am always baffled by American attitude to flying, honestly I believe they should ban flying as everyone is so scared of terrorism etc blah blah blah... In that same country a man has to be 21 years old to buy a bottle of vodka ( and even at 50 years old they still have to show ID) but that same man can go to war at 18 and put a bullet though a mans head!
The uk is so much different, may be not better but different. When I was at school, and 16 years of age I went on a school skiing trip to France. (I went to a private school) prior to the trip all parents were written to and told that the legal age to drink in France is 16 and would our parents object to us drinking alcohol, of course all parents were ok with this as most people drink at home with there parent long before they are 16.
Ok I have gone off topic so getting back to the point, vaping will be banned on all planes soon, ( Ryan air still try and sell them as of last week!!) but stealth vaping will long go on as there s no evidence left behind, ash, buts, smell etc... Failing that its back to the snuff for my long haul flights!
They guy seems stupid but it won't run it for us stealth vapours !
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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2012, 07:35:41 PM » |
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Jules1977, American here... don't sweat it. I agree that these guys seem stupid, but I'd hesitate on the whole not ruining it statement. I can easily see ecig's becoming the next "liquid" or "shoe" issue now. |
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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2012, 07:41:34 PM » |
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@rgartley,
Scary thought you had just then with the shoe and underwear thing... Wow I hate my brain sometimes as I immediately started dissecting the process of how it would be done. I'm not saying anything else on that...
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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2012, 07:46:16 PM » |
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Too much Vodka before the flight or something else. Stupid, but it may help in the long run because of the discussions of the e-cigs. Hopefully they find out that they are not dangerous fr anybody, also anything with a batterie is dangerous for the air lines.
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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2012, 07:50:28 PM » |
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Agreed the battery is prob the bt that will be banned, most airlines still let you carry cig lighters though,
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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2012, 08:32:25 PM » |
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Agreed the battery is prob the bt that will be banned, most airlines still let you carry cig lighters though,
... but I'll still be able to bring my iPhone (with battery) and my laptop (with battery) in flight. Sorry for being the Dougie Downer (not a Debbie ) here as this is just me venting. I agree on the too much vodka part. The way I see it going down was these guys we're on a plane all buzzed up, figured Continental was an approved airline to vape on, and got busted. They decided to raise a stink and scream stereotypical comments that everyone was expecting them to say. If you watch the video, looked like he was college/university age. I travel quite a bit and have vaped often on flights, but I make sure that I've checked the airlines policy on it before doing so. I just seriously hope this doesn't deter that. |
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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2012, 09:16:58 PM » |
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I have mixed feelings about this one.
To think that using an e-cigarette endangers anyone in the process of getting from start to destination is ludicrous beyond words. To penalise 100's for the [adolescent] actions of one person is ridiculous whichever way you look at it. It's not like he had a bomb or anything.
However, society is trying to work out how to categorise and treat 'vapers' and negative actions like this, of one person, affect all of us.
No right-minded civilised organisation would inconvenience 100's of people on account of one jerk. However, that's the society we live in. There are times where rebelling is necessary, there are times when it doesn't harm to cow-tow to the status quo.
QFT. I think that's something that comes with experience - learning to pick your battles. Trying to get through check-in with your finger hovering on the red button of your box mod for example, that's a sure fire way of finding yourself with the muzzle of a semi-automatic pressed in your nape as you suck on a tuft of carpet  . Some people know that but will still give it a go out of sheer badness and a deluded sense of having "inalienable rights".  |
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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2012, 08:24:12 AM » |
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Okay, I had to look that one up -- "QFT." I thought for sure I knew what it stood for - "quite f&%*ing true," but I was wrong! |
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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2012, 10:04:08 AM » |
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lol, my favourite part of that article was this: "Then after the flight took off, he ignored the “No Smoking” sign and tried to light an electronic cigarette." No wonder they had a problem. The smell of burning plastic as he tried to light the end of his e-cig must have been unbearable  Exploding batteries anyone? |
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