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« on: August 06, 2012, 10:24:22 PM »


Memo to town of Saugus Massachusetts. Recieved today!

Right after I move out of town but I still work here. As I'm sitting writing this on my phone while I'm vaping. As of sep 1st I won't be aloud to do this! Stupid vaping ban / regulation. Time to fight back.  Angry
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2012, 11:34:13 PM »

This is crazy

I could understand if it said you are not allowed to blow your vapour in people's faces

It's like they want to destroy the soul of someone who smoked and now vapes. "Let's kick them until they are dead boys, then some more"
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2012, 10:18:27 AM »

OK, correct me if I'm wrong, but the wording of this seems to give some hope.

  • "...it will be the responsibility of the retailer to comply with all aspects of this regulation."
  • What are the consequences of breaking this "regulation"? Is it different from a law?
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2012, 11:33:07 AM »

Generally, over here in the States a City/Township can create an "ordinance/regulation" and then if you fail to follow it, you can be fined if caught. Of course, this particular type of "regulation" is a classic example of the Nanny State run amuck. An ordinance that makes sense is one thing. This is more like a case of "when in doubt, make an ordinance & drive it out".

This example also seems to be a case of the City "fathers" being absolutely clueless as to just what an E-cig is or more importantly, what the ingredients are that make up the vapor, quite possibly combined with a mentality/belief that Vapers are trying to "skirt" the No Smoking laws of the State and/or City ordinance. To ban e-cigs in a Public/City building, paid for by the taxpayer is one thing. To reach into a Private Employer's building and dictate what that employer can or cannot allow their employees to do - especially regarding vaping should be viewed as criminal imho.
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2012, 02:37:33 PM »

Rich, who is responsible  for putting these things together together?
I have friends and relatives in the USA and I'm sure they would agree that much of the wording looks like it was written by a twelve year old.
Do the people behind it have real clout or they merely jumped-up small minded people. We have those over here too btw, in abundance.

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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2012, 03:22:52 PM »

Board of Health, Saugus Health Department.
The town hall has a board meeting to determine the outcome. Kinda like on T.V. This is a small town of upper class people who rather set their mind before knowing the truth. Ignorance mixed with the unknown can be devistating. I'm going to see if I can get a petition going. I've worked in a liquor store for 4 years and know many of the towns people, many of whom started vaping within the last year.  Angry Angry Angry
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2012, 04:02:53 PM »

Is the board meeting open or closed to the public? If it's open to the public, your best bet is to get together a group of people, become informed as much as you all can, and present the information to the board. Here in Indiana, in the few areas that have included e-cigs in their smoking ban, the decision makers admit that its more of a lack of information than anything else that resulted in their votes.
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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2012, 11:20:05 AM »

OK, I need to point this out again.  It is the responsibility of the retailer to comply with... the use of e-cigarettes is not allowed... etc. I am not a retailer who sells tobacco or e-cigarettes, therefore I do not have to comply with this regulation.

Also, I am loving the double-negative in the sentence below.  Can someone please tell me which of these it is supposed to be referring to?:

No "Self-Service" displays are banned.
"No Self-Service" displays are banned.
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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2012, 02:40:15 PM »

OK, I need to point this out again.  It is the responsibility of the retailer to comply with... the use of e-cigarettes is not allowed... etc. I am not a retailer who sells tobacco or e-cigarettes, therefore I do not have to comply with this regulation.

Also, I am loving the double-negative in the sentence below.  Can someone please tell me which of these it is supposed to be referring to?:

No "Self-Service" displays are banned.
"No Self-Service" displays are banned.

If I understand your question; it means a vendor may not have an E-Cig display/stand that a customer can just walk up and retrieve the product themselves w/out the help of the Clerk. Be they analogues, dip, chew or E-cig products. Huh
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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2012, 03:12:33 PM »

Presumably an e-cigarette is something that looks like a cigarette, in the same way that an e-cigar looks like a cigar and an e-pipe looks like a pipe. Now an Odyssey looks like something else entirely. Is it therefore not an e-cigarette and hence not covered by these new regulations? If stopped by an ignorant official, I might say that it is a nebuliser http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebulizer which reduces the level of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaled_nitric_oxide exhaled nitric oxide in my breath, something that recent research has shown to be true, see http://journal.publications.chestnet.org/article.aspx?articleid=1187047. Incidentally, I consulted a medical authority who indicated that reducing the amount of nitric oxide you produce is a good thing. If you were accused of transgressing these regulations, an even half decent lawyer ought to be able to get you off. Worth testing, I'm sure.
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2012, 03:46:06 PM »

Quote from: Matt Tempesta / The Daily Item, Originally Published on Tuesday, June 05, 2012
SAUGUS — The Saugus Board of Health voted unanimously Monday night to adopt a new tobacco regulation that bans tobacco sales in Saugus’ six pharmacies, restricts cigar sales unless the cigar is in a pack of four or priced more than $2.50, and bans the use of electronic cigarettes in public places, among other provisions.

The Board of Health has been working for several months with Joyce Redford of the North Shore/Cape Ann Tobacco Alcohol Policy Program to write the new regulation, and on Monday Redford thanked the board for its work.

“I’m so proud of the town for being a leader,” she said.

The regulation caused some controversy over the last several weeks as two retail groups, one representing a pharmacy in Saugus and another representing auto repair shops, sent letters of opposition to the board.

The regulation will go into effect on Sept. 1.

Why are born rich people so stupid?, no offense if anyone here comes from money. Just that in this town they are all snobs! They all love me but of course, I've been selling them their beer and liquor for 4 years.
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2012, 03:50:26 PM »

I can almost hear the cogs in mr taxman's head ticking over. You can bet your bum that this is the start of treat vaping like smoking and then will come the inevitable yearly hammering of tax they will slap us with!
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2012, 03:54:53 PM »

And this tax payer is angry Angry
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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2012, 10:43:25 PM »

I can almost hear the cogs in mr taxman's head ticking over. You can bet your bum that this is the start of treat vaping like smoking and then will come the inevitable yearly hammering of tax they will slap us with!
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2012, 06:05:02 PM »

Presumably an e-cigarette is something that looks like a cigarette, in the same way that an e-cigar looks like a cigar and an e-pipe looks like a pipe. Now an Odyssey looks like something else entirely. Is it therefore not an e-cigarette and hence not covered by these new regulations? If stopped by an ignorant official, I might say that it is a nebuliser http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebulizer which reduces the level of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaled_nitric_oxide exhaled nitric oxide in my breath, something that recent research has shown to be true, see http://journal.publications.chestnet.org/article.aspx?articleid=1187047. Incidentally, I consulted a medical authority who indicated that reducing the amount of nitric oxide you produce is a good thing. If you were accused of transgressing these regulations, an even half decent lawyer ought to be able to get you off. Worth testing, I'm sure.

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