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[real-player]

is this TRUE

                        Diethylene Glycol

Electronic Cigarettes are found to contain an anti-freeze component known as Diethylene Glycol. It is toxic to humans and can cause health worries on inhalation. This is one of the major Electronic Cigarette side effects.
Toxicity

Other than Diethylene Glycol, e-cigarettes also contain cancer-causing compounds like nitrosamines. If the cigarette accidentally breaks, humans may be exposed to such harmful components.
                                                                                                  SOUNDS NASTY ANYONe if this has to be removed jeff i dont mind would like to think its ok 

[StevieD]

E-Juice (at least that from reputable suppliers) uses Propylene Glycol or Polyethylene Glycol, not the toxic Diethylene Glycol or any of the other toxic variants. The antifreeze scare story resurfaces every few months, and yes, PG CAN be used as an antifreeze, purely because it has a low freezing point (Although PEG will set like butter if you keep it in the fridge).

[cyborg]

+ 1 Stevie

[Astrecks]

As Stevie says, this old nonsense it s pedalled regularly to scare people, the fact is, modern antifreeze is made of PG because it IS SAFE and non-toxic, wild life is no longer going to die because sloppy people spill antifreeze all over the place when they fill radiators with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifreeze.

"The most common water-based antifreeze solutions used in electronics cooling are mixtures of water and either ethylene glycol (EGW) or propylene glycol (PGW). The use of ethylene glycol has a longer history, especially in the automotive industry. However, EGW solutions formulated for the automotive industry often have silicate based rust inhibitors that can coat and/or clog heat exchanger surfaces. The use of PGW as a coolant is becoming more common primarily because it is environmentally friendly and non-toxic. Ethylene glycol is listed as a toxic chemical requiring care in handling and disposal.
Ethylene glycol has desirable thermal properties, including a high boiling point, low freezing point, stability over a wide range of temperatures, and high specific heat and thermal conductivity. It also has a low viscosity and, therefore reduced pumping requirements. Although EGW has more desirable physical properties than PGW, the latter coolant is used in applications where toxicity might be a concern. PGW is generally recognized as safe for use in food or food processing applications, and can also be used in enclosed spaces."

The important thing to note is make sure you only buy PG that is of a pharmacopeia grade, either BP (British Pharmacopeia) USP (United States Pharmacopeia) or EP (European Pharmacopeia).

nota bene: PGW refers to a Propylene Glycol Water mixture.

[Osmo]

is this TRUE

                        Diethylene Glycol

Electronic Cigarettes are found to contain an anti-freeze component known as Diethylene Glycol. It is toxic to humans and can cause health worries on inhalation. This is one of the major Electronic Cigarette side effects.

I read that it was found in 1 instance in a batch of PEG 400. Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethylene_glycol it is allowed in some products in small quantities by some countries.

Also where do you buy your toothpaste from  http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/02/us/02toothpaste.html

[real-player]

phew   !!!
               thanks for clearing that up  things that are there too scare people  its mad just let us vape in the knowledge that its got to be better than the other  thanks s.d  and j

[aroby89]

Every one and every thing seems to be against vaping atm from the government and tobacco companys to the every day user tobacco company's will be loosing out on lots of revinue the government don't want us to harm our selfs they will sell cigs put harmful warnings on the packs but inreality the more we smoke the more money they get because of tax as far as I now the e-cig and products don't get taxed like cigs do so the government benefits more from us smoking tobacco then you have the odd few e-cig consumers that do stupid selfish acts that in the end will only affect the responsible users such as the person who was vaping on a plane and would not stop when asked not to witch resulted in a turn around of the aircraft and put e-cigs over the news in a negitve way only takes a few small incidents like this and we will end up out side in pubs clubs restaraunts shops and work places iv had mine for a week and work in a small office and l'm the only smoker/ vaper in the office we have a few smokers in the work shop who dont get the e-cig at all so I'm a lone vaper yes it's legal to vape in an office but I know what my bosses and co-workers reaction would be if I vaped in the office so have decided not to do it or ask if I can as would cause to much grief that's not to say I don't have a sly vape in the kitchen when no one is around its still early days when compared to tobacco smoking and drinking alcohol so people vape reasonably don't ruin it for the rest of us please

[MissNykki]

Of COURSE governments and tobacco companies don't want vaping to eat into their profits. Your state and federal government (in the US) use tobacco tax money on education and a ton of other things, which is why they don't ban cigarettes completely. It's a double edged sword though, because while the tax money is needed, it contributes to the insane cost of healthcare over time. Not only that, but some states have a quit line that you can call to see if you apply for nicotine replacement therapy with a Dr.'s suggestion (also may or may not be covered under health insurance), which also comes from tax money... so it's kind of like what the hell? The long and the short of it is we have to come together, as a community, and continue to share true and accurate information to educate others. Spread the good word :-)

[Kenneth131]

+1 Stevie and Jeff very informative

PG as Jeff said is often used in antifreeze and de icer for planes.

However its also present in fog machines djs use in clubs and many food products including mouthwash so check the label and you will find it in many things. Its a great suspension liquid as it doesn't readily react with other substances and kills bacteria and inhibits growth.

Also i would like to point out with all the bad press China gets for mixing in unknowns into items. Well for one tw do check the quality of their products so its tested and

Two one of the many reasons tw is launching its own liquid UK sourced and made in its entirety so we the vaping community know we are getting the best quality liquid.

[MissNykki]

Kenneth, thanks for mentioning that that is in many different things... usually when people hear "antifreeze" they picture blue death...I would love for that stigma to just go away

[Astrecks]

As I pointed out modern day antifreeze is made from PG because it is safe and harmless to the environment and wildlife.

[Dragonfire]

As I pointed out modern day antifreeze is made from PG because it is safe and harmless to the environment and wildlife.

and they'll never tell you that...people are afraid of things they don't understand. hell, water is a major ingredient in many harmful substances, but if you call it dihydrogen monoxide (H20) uninformed sheep people will call for a ban on water lol.

[danwldr]

baa baa...ban water now!! 

[Dragonfire]

i tried that experiment in college for a psych class... i got 157 random people out 200 to sign a petition for the banning of dihydrogen monoxide. dont believe what the media says talk to people who know what theyre talking about.

[danwldr]

Your very right,if we believe what the media tell us,we would be up on the moon looking for cheese! Lol

[Dragonfire]

Your very right,if we believe what the media tell us,we would be up on the moon looking for cheese! Lol

wait! the moon isnt made of cheese!?

[danwldr]

Your very right,if we believe what the media tell us,we would be up on the moon looking for cheese! Lol

wait! the moon isnt made of cheese!?

Apparently not,and father Christmas ain't real either!!
**bubble burst**

[FredSpencer]

baa baa...ban water now!! 

No chance ..... you're having your annual bath whether you need it or not.

[MissNykki]

As I pointed out modern day antifreeze is made from PG because it is safe and harmless to the environment and wildlife.

Yes, I meant to add a +1 to you or that! Thanks!