New To Mixing.. Excited

[maddreamz]

Hello all ..

I have never Mixed before and thought i would post my progress..

I have just ordered the 72mg TI mixing kit with a PG Base and a PG dilute (not sure if i should have got AG Dilute but i guess i will find out soon enough)
Flavours:
Red Tobacco
Pepsi Cola
Blueberry
MIlk Chocolate
Cherry

I have read a few posts from others and am looking to have an 90/10 PG:Flavour mix.. (adding some more flavour if its to mild)

Im looking forward to performing the mystical feats of alchemy and will update you as soon as it all arrives

[Astrecks]

Hi maddreamz, welcome to the forum

It is a good idea to have some AG in stock as this can be used to "balance" your mix between vapour production, throat hit and sweetness, an all PG mix can be a little harsh depending on the nicotine strength used, and although PG creates vapour, AG will create substantially more for a smaller percentage of the mix.

More importantly you have chosen to experiment , and you can only learn from this I think it important you only make small batches initially, so as not to waste precious TI.

10% flavour maybe a little weak  if you have recently changed from smoking tobacco cigarettes, and the norm would be 15 to 20% (although personally I prefer the flavours to be subtle and only mix to a max of 10% myself)

Good luck! and as ever if you have any questions about mixing or vaping in general, you are in good company here as we have a plethora of seasoned, experienced and friendly vapers here

[chops]

Hi maddreamz, good luck with your mixing adventures , there's tons of advice to help on this forum!

[canniscam]

Go Go Go Go!

Have fun and just keep in mind that it's a balancing act and you will get better with practice!

Casey

[MCam]

Try mixing the Pipsi Cola and Cherry 50/50 at 10% flavour. Not the most imaginative I know but I was surprised at how much it actually tastes like cherry cola! Same with vanilla if you pick that up.

[maddreamz]

Heres how i got on

i initially started mixing with a 90% PG and a 10% flavour mix.

My first attempt was white chocolate.. Hmm ... Well ... I didn't get on at all with that flavour.. in fact it almost made me sick.. i couldn't get the taste out of my mouth or my atomiser.. i cleaned and cleaned it but the smell and taste would not go.. I have however now found a way to clean the atomiser effectively, using a small medicine syringe and some rubber pipe   anyway....

My next experiment was the cherry and cola.. it was ok but a little too sweet for my taste..

I was at this time thinking about binning the lot and going back to pre-mixed

but No ,, i had spent a reasonable amount of money and felt that it must be a user error..

I decided to order some more flavours and some AG and try again..

The next order consisted of:
Apple
Kool - as menthol was out of stock
Cappuccino
AG 60ml
Cartomiser

I knew this order was going to take a while.. (pre weekend order) so decided to try mixing some menthol using Crystals.. It went surprisingly well.. great hit of menthol..
i was encouraged again, knowing that it was possible to make a nice flavour juice at home..

Well my order arrived and i was very happy
Apple tastes great
Cappuccino is amazing (although if you think really hard you can taste sugar puffs )
Kool is ok but I'm not really liking the tobacco flavour alongside the mint..

I have been mixing a 60%PG 25-30%AG and 10-15%Flavour depending on the strength of the flavours (personally i find that the apple and cherry need 15% where as the tobacco and cappuccino need only 10%)

Ive not really noticed and difference adding the AG in place of the PG so help here would be great

i have found that the juices I'm making now seem to have a harshness to them.. not so much throat hit but throat soar..

Also i found that one of my Cartomisers that i use in my DCT just burnt out .. same happened with my Brother (who has started using Totally wicked e-products in place of analogues).. I'm not sure if this is because of the mixes I've been making or whether we just bought a dodgy batch.. they only lasted around 5 days whereas my last one lasted 3 weeks

In conclusion i am reasonably happy with what i have produced but am still eager to get it right.. so any help would be greatly appreciated

Also.. don't ever get the milk chocolate flavour again.. tastes like Poo

[canniscam]

maddreamz,

Just goes to show you that personal taste is everything in this industry...

I personally like the milk chocolate .. but in small amounts.

Seems like you are off to start now with the self mixing and testing of batches. The menthol concentrate is pretty decent so if you get a chance in the future you might want to give it a try. 

If you like teas the Black Tea concentrate is a favorite of mine and it mixes very well with just about any fruit flavor in a 70%/30% ratio at 15%-20% flavor.  It makes a nice mild vape that I really dig..

Casey

[maddreamz]

Just tried a 50/50 AG PG mix....

Lots of vapour not so harsh on the throat

However it is very thin and tends to leak through my atomiser..

Hopefully it will work better when my cartomiser for my DCT arrives..

[Maia]

Hiya

Just started mixing as well, but thought u might find my little "first try recipe". I mix 5ml liquid, as it is enough to give a couple of cartridges, but like previously listed doesn't matter too much if it ends up pear shaped.

1ml PG based Titanium ice
1.2ml flavour
2ml PG dilute
0.8 ml VG dilute

I bought some plastic pipettes from eBay, which work really well and were really cheap..

So far my favourites are the gold standard water melon and raspberry mixed with liquorice.

[maddreamz]

ill give that a go thank you..
just need to order some VG

[ZmonKey]

Complete newb and really confused what is AG!?  I know what PG and VG is but I keep seeing the AG thrown around.  Also when you say a 70/30 mix with a 15/20% flavor what are you saying wouldn't that make 115/120%?  I know I have asked this kind of question before but i am still totally confused!  LOL  I just want to make sure I am getting everything out of my mixing!  As I tend to not think the flavor is there enough but don't really want to go over 20% with my flavor because I am afraid its going to taste like butt! 

Hope I didn't jack the thread!?

Zmon

[chops]

Complete newb and really confused what is AG!?  I know what PG and VG is but I keep seeing the AG thrown around.  Also when you say a 70/30 mix with a 15/20% flavor what are you saying wouldn't that make 115/120%?  I know I have asked this kind of question before but i am still totally confused!  LOL  I just want to make sure I am getting everything out of my mixing!  As I tend to not think the flavor is there enough but don't really want to go over 20% with my flavor because I am afraid its going to taste like butt! 

Hope I didn't jack the thread!?

Zmon

No worries ZMonKey... AG is just 'aqueous glycerine'; it's VG that's been pre-thinned with distilled water to the 'ideal' consistency (the same consistency as PG). VG is usually way too thick (high viscosity) to use as it is, unless it's being mixed in very small amounts with PG. When mixing, you can buy VG and thin it yourself, or have the hassle taken away and get it pre-thinned as AG.
When you calculate mixing ratios for a home mixed eliquid, you add in the percentage of flavour to 100% total. I can see the confusion you have about the 70:30 mix... for example if you bought some Platinum Ice at 54mg to make an 18 mg mix, you might choose the VG based PI and mix it with PG. This would mean in an end mix of 10mls, if say you added 20% flavouring the mix would look like this:
3.3mls PI base (VG)
4.7mls diluent (PG)
2.0mls flavouring (assume a flavouring in a PG base)
Overall, the mix would be about 33% VG and you would assume the rest to be 'mainly PG', so you'd have roughly a 70:30 mix there.

It's hard to know whether the flavourings themselves are in PG or VG base. In early mixing days, we bought food flavourings and used them (yes!) and they were in glycerine (VG). I tend to assume they're now based in PG. Maybe someone knows if this is the case (Astrecks perhaps?). It's of no matter as my mix ratios work for me anyway

About flavour concentration... don't add too much as you will overkill it. Too much flavouring has the same effect as too little and 'deadens' the tastebuds. If you're using the red label concentrates 15 to 20% is okay (you get used to an amount that is right for you when you get into mixing), but please bear in mind if you buy the Gold Standard concentrates that these are much stronger and require less %.

[Astrecks]

As I understand it, most if not all our GS flavourings are suspended in PG, some flavours can "separate" from VG (I think menthol crystals are one such flavour) I think flavourings in VG are being considered for the future, but not presently.

[chops]

Thank Astrecks!

[maddreamz]

I seem to be getting an oily taste to my mixes lately. Its not terrible but if i Vape a lot of a sweeter flavour it becomes quite sickly. would this be down to me using too much AG?

[chops]

how much AG are you adding?

[maddreamz]

60/40 PG/AG 

[chops]

Possibly too much for your personal liking, though it's not a very high content of VG you're mixing. Come back to any that have suddenly tasted 'wrong' after a few days and see if they taste any different.

Our tastebuds tend to alter a lot from day to day as well, that's why I tend to try a new flavour a few times before deciding I don't like it . E.g. I had some parma violet flavour a couple of years ago that was so-so and left it alone... made a mix up three or four weeks ago on a whim and decided it was really amazing...!

[Maia]

Hiya maddreamz,

Just a quick one to see how you are getting on with your mixing?

I have had some good and some bad results. I have reduced the flavour I put in quite a lot, and also trying by increasing the VG as some mixes felt quite harsh...

Really like to mix menthol into most of the fruity flavours. Have you tried any tobacco flavours? If so, any feedback?