DCT airflow

[aj1982]

I'm using the DCT on my tornado battery and im not keen on the way it drags don't get me wrong I like the DCT but the airflow is a bit much I like a tight drag, any way to do something about that you know of?

[cyborg]

It shouldn’t be like that.
You could possibly have liquid in the centre tube, try holding it over a tissue & blowing it out from the tip end.
They tend to get a tight drag when they want replaced but not when fresh.

[Kenneth131]

I think its the other way round cyborg. I think its too light a draw for aj and I'm assuming he wanted something that vapes more like an ego c. Tbh I have managed to make the carto have a tighter draw but not sure it can be replicated too well. One thing that helps a little is using the silicone bung that comes with the dct it should be a little clear one. Helps a tiny bit though

[aj1982]

I think its the other way round cyborg. I think its too light a draw for aj and I'm assuming he wanted something that vapes more like an ego c. Tbh I have managed to make the carto have a tighter draw but not sure it can be replicated too well. One thing that helps a little is using the silicone bung that comes with the dct it should be a little clear one. Helps a tiny bit though

I tried that but got a load of liquid in my mouth. I'm still new to vaping so guess its just finding what works for me. I like the amount Of vapour I get with the DCT but like the pull of the standard one I got with my tornado. But I have got through 3 attys in two weeks of those. My DCT is still going strong though it kills off the tornado battery quick. I'm getting the SD Tuesday though and thanks to Chopps and Cyborg know how to hook up a DCT to it so hope that gos well.

[cyborg]

Hope it works out for you aj, don’t forget a 901 to 510 adaptor for the SD if you want to use a DCT with it.

[JohnEAngel]

a  tight draw on a dc carto might also mean that the inner tube has collapsed a degree or two.  this can happen when it becomes too saturated.  you could try sticking a straightened out paper clip into into and spreading it apart but without damaging the coil wire.  but, if it has gotten you through 10ml or more, as some are fond of saying, the dc cartos are a disposable item and time to buy more.  probably not what you wanted to hear but nothing lasts forever anymore.  i wish it did.  honestly though a dc carto should optimally last you at least 30ml in my book.

[aj1982]

Na I wanted a tighter draw from it it was really not that tight. But I had changed the flavour 3 times in it and I think I must have damaged it it's two weeks old as well, bought a new Atty for it today and it's working much better now so I've learned my lesson there lol, also how long do you guys get out of your DCT attys before needing to replace them?

[ceekay27]

I tend to get around 30 or 40ml of juice before it starts to go off a bit.
Thats an average, some Ive had more, and others Ive had a lot less. 

[DeafLion]

like me have problem spit my mouth from DCT
so i email to TW Team about it
they reply say

After you have filled the DCT please can you try this process:
1)      Unscrew the DCT from the battery
2)      Fill the DCT as normal – please ensure you replace the white bung on top of the cartomiser. You can use the Drip Tip to push this down into place.
3)      Hold tissue over the bottom screw-thread end
4)      Blow through the mouthpiece to clear excess fluid
5)      Remove the Drip Tip, and dab any excess fluid you can see with tissue
Please ensure you take gentle draws and please don’t draw too hard.

i clean everything and start again its working no spit my mouth...
better keep eyes on if any liquid in mouthpiece then clean it with ear cotton buds that will be fine.
Do not suck too hard...

[JohnEAngel]

like me have problem spit my mouth from DCT
so i email to TW Team about it
they reply say

After you have filled the DCT please can you try this process:
1)      Unscrew the DCT from the battery
2)      Fill the DCT as normal – please ensure you replace the white bung on top of the cartomiser. You can use the Drip Tip to push this down into place.
3)      Hold tissue over the bottom screw-thread end
4)      Blow through the mouthpiece to clear excess fluid
5)      Remove the Drip Tip, and dab any excess fluid you can see with tissue
Please ensure you take gentle draws and please don’t draw too hard.

i pull my drip tip off and blow through it about every 1 to 2 mls vaped. 

i clean everything and start again its working no spit my mouth...
better keep eyes on if any liquid in mouthpiece then clean it with ear cotton buds that will be fine.
Do not suck too hard...

[DeafLion]

i pull my drip tip off and blow through it about every 1 to 2 mls vaped. 

pull tip off every 1 to 2 ml
DCT is 3ml

[JohnEAngel]

i pull my drip tip off and blow through it about every 1 to 2 mls vaped. 

pull tip off every 1 to 2 ml
DCT is 3ml

yes but after you vape about 1ml or less of the the 3ml tank, pull the tip off and blow through it  into a napkin. 

[DeafLion]

a napkin. 

Napkin ? if you mean Tissue

[chops]

a napkin. 

Napkin ? if you mean Tissue

Bit of toilet roll 

[DeafLion]

Tissue
Napkin
Toilet roll
Cloth

mine cheap use tissue from ASDA

[chops]

Tissue
Napkin
Toilet roll
Cloth

mine cheap use tissue from ASDA

Cheaper use trouser leg

[aj1982]

Big thanks to chops & cyborg my SD has turned out sweet as!

[chops]

Awww hey you're welcome, really pleased your PV is sorted out to perfection

I'm still getting comments of admiration about mine

[ed172]

I'm 18 months into vaping and worked my way up through cigarette lookalikes ie: cartomiser & small battery, then to CE2/3/4 wick system and found them very good with loads of vapour and no liquid in the mouth, but the down side at the time was the need to have needle filling and often the needles didn't fit the bottles very well and resulted in liquid everywhere!
Moved on to DCT which initially I thought was the ultimate solution - loads of liquid and easy filling.
However I've become disenchanted with this system now as I find inconsistancy with the cartomisers - one might be fantastic - nice easy draw and stacks of vapour, while the next one will be very tight making you draw harder resulting in unpleasant liquid in the mouth.
I am now totally in despair with this product due to the amount of "on the job" maintenance you have to do, ie blowing through, to prevent a mouthfull of liquid instead of a mouthfull of vape.
I have now given up on the DCT and gone back to the CE system which is really great, just holds less liquid, but no nasty mouthfulls of liquid!
This industry is very young and needs feedback from us all to enable them to get the product right - it will happen with all our feedback!

[RichJr]

Tissue
Napkin
Toilet roll
Cloth

mine cheap use tissue from ASDA

Cheaper use trouser leg

Hahaha I do that every day. Be careful if your wearing white and the juice is colored.

[Osmo]

Hahaha I do that every day. Be careful if your wearing white and the juice is colored.

Your all hereby invited to use Richjr's trouser leg whether white or not 

Os

[RichJr]

Hey hey I don't need a nicotine overdose! That would make my pants the equivalent of many concentrated nicotine patches. I'd be flying metaphorically out the window. One at a time please.

[chops]

Jeans aren't so bad, the stain disappears over a few hours... 

I can see the issue with white lmao

[tez77]

I'm 18 months into vaping and worked my way up through cigarette lookalikes ie: cartomiser & small battery, then to CE2/3/4 wick system and found them very good with loads of vapour and no liquid in the mouth, but the down side at the time was the need to have needle filling and often the needles didn't fit the bottles very well and resulted in liquid everywhere!
Moved on to DCT which initially I thought was the ultimate solution - loads of liquid and easy filling.
However I've become disenchanted with this system now as I find inconsistancy with the cartomisers - one might be fantastic - nice easy draw and stacks of vapour, while the next one will be very tight making you draw harder resulting in unpleasant liquid in the mouth.
I am now totally in despair with this product due to the amount of "on the job" maintenance you have to do, ie blowing through, to prevent a mouthfull of liquid instead of a mouthfull of vape.
I have now given up on the DCT and gone back to the CE system which is really great, just holds less liquid, but no nasty mouthfulls of liquid!

Tis a funny old world... I was at the end of my tether with vaping, namely due to CE3s being excellent when they worked but with a very low consistency rate and a lot of fluid in mouth incidents and CE4s don't even get me started on those  . I was literally about to pack it in and go back to analogs but opted to give the DCT a try as a last hope... Been nothing but happy with it, the next to zero maintenance, no noticable inconsistency between cartos, no leaking, no fluid in mouth, excellent capacity and untouchable value when I get around 50mls out of a carto, the only thing I can knock it on is that it doesn't have the same flavour punch of a CE3.

This industry is very young and needs feedback from us all to enable them to get the product right - it will happen with all our feedback!

I totally agree on the feedback but I have a bee in my bonnet about that too. This industry is not that young any more, there's a good chunk of markup in the products and yet I personally feel R&D has not been getting a big enough slice of the money pie, especially when you've fed back a lot and the next variant of a product hits the shelves with the same flaws as the previous product. Hopefully that's something that will change now with TW branching into manufacture but (and I don't want to harp on about it) we don't need any new shiny "batteries" we need developments in the atomizers themselves.

That said I am bitching about CE3 flaws which it appears you don't have 

[chops]

Agree with you there tez. The progression has been mostly due to the hard work and thinking by the end user... development has ridden on the backs of the people who have sat in their own homes and modded up new ideas, and improvements via feedback on products... stealing ideas and making them into mass production models on occasion... I am not convinced that we would be as far forward as we are if it was not for the western retail companies and the end user. Development of new technology is coming from us to them and not the other way around.

I think the first landmark for UK ecig production was the SD being made into a mass production model via China. There have been efforts to manufacture e-cigs in the west before, but to my knowledge none with the amount of research and investment that the Odyssey has been given, nor with the intention of manufacturing them on such a large scale. So yes this could well be the turning point, one in which the technology is driven by a western manufacturer rather than by us feeding back to the Chinese manufacturers

We still need Chinese manufacturing but they may need to alter their own approach to development if we show good signs of being able to sustain our own technology and product development via western manufacture lol... we're getting there.

There is a lack of quality control in e-cigs, even with the addition of 'large' western brand names (which face it, are still small fry), because of the smaller scale of investment. They don't need 100% perfection with their QC measures because there aren't those demands placed on them by our retail companies. So they get away with a small number of inconsistencies and manufacturing errors. They could achieve nigh on 100% if those demands were in place but that takes the Samsung/Sony/Nokia/Nintendo etc level of company investment and demand and we just aren't on that level... yet...   

[maryon54]

I purchased my first dct after reading all the comments, and have to say that I found it to be a bit of a let down.....     I love the CE3 smokimizers, I find they are totally great on flavour and vapour, and thought that the dct would be probably about the same, and it is, in most respects, except for the lack of airflow resulting in a weak draw..... a bit like sucking on an empty straw...    it wipes out my SD batteries pdq too, and so I have gone back to my trusty CE3's.....     I have had problems with the odd CE3, but I have found that once I have cleaned them, even if I have used them only once, any trouble is resolved and they just seem to go on for ever!!!   It seems to me that tanks don't agree with me...   I have been using CE3's for about a year now, and see no reason now to change   
                                                     

[ed172]

Further to my last post about the long term problems with DCT systems - I now have more info.
There is an inherant problem with the cartomiser system using wadding as the wick system.
These are great when new, but over a short period of time the waste products due to the heat used due to vapourisation lead to a build up of nasty tar like substance. This is contained in the wadding and when enough is created leads to an overflow in the central tube when you get a big hit of yukk!!
Yes, you can blow it through, but once you have got to that point you never can really get it right again.
You can wash the cartomiser through with walm water and this works quite well.
However, a further problem with the cartomiser, especially if you use a big battery with loads of power, it is easy to overheat the cartomiser resulting in collapsing the central core - you know when this happens as a previously easy draw suddenly turns into a prolonged suck!
When you get to this stage what is happening is that you draw harder and pull the air not only from the central core but from the wadding resulting in a mouthful of nasty stuff!
The DCT is a great idea - loads of liquid, but the maintenance is not worth the bother.
How about a DCT with a wick system - maybe the way forward?

[Mev]

 I found the DCT's a let down too, great idea especially the 6ml and they look cool too but poor performance and sound awful.

[sukio]

i myself dont use the little plastic gromet which goes into the top of the carto, this way i can see into it to see if theres any dryness, if so i just 'reprime' it  quickly at least 5 times a day to make sure everything is in prime condition. i do tend to chain vape when i get the chance to and i can normally get 8--15 more drops into it before its soaking again. lol i never ever get any floodinfg, not gertting enough liquid in it is my problem,

[Scotty58]

I tried that but got a load of liquid in my mouth. I'm still new to vaping so guess its just finding what works for me. I like the amount Of vapour I get with the DCT but like the pull of the standard one I got with my tornado. But I have got through 3 attys in two weeks of those. My DCT is still going strong though it kills off the tornado battery quick. I'm getting the SD Tuesday though and thanks to Chopps and Cyborg know how to hook up a DCT to it so hope that gos well.
[/quote]

Ah good, so I am not alone in finding the standard tornado battery is not "manly" enough for extended use.  For me. the charge has dropped by about 60% when using a TW DCT on a tornado.

[ceekay27]

The reasons that your battery doesnt last as long with a DCT is because its  a dual coil  ... so its actually firing 2 coils
instead of one. Whatever device you use a DCT on, you can expect a shortened battery time

[sukio]

exactly, i got 3 sd battries constantly on the go and charging and 1ego 1000 which i take to work alongside 2 650 ego for backup if the 1000 runs out during a 8-5 normal working day, i only change back to my sd batteries once i get home from work and chain vape them all night, 1 sd battery lasts the whole night though but i always got the other 2 on charge, tbh i would like another 1000 ego battery as i only got 1 and i really dont like taking my sd to work because i lost the end cap for it,

but dct's eat batteries for breakfast, but its worth it,

[ed172]

Yes the DCT is a killer on batteries,however the solution is the 1000mah pass through battery - currently out of stock with Wicked, but if you google it you can find them.
This is great as you can also plug a charging lead (provided) into your computer  connecting with the end of the batt and charge as you vape. Also gives many hours on the move.
This is only available as button operated, not automatic, but I now prefer this as you can control the burn by finger rather than suck - much better! This also helps to avoid the rancid mouthful as you can suck slowly with your finger on the button instead of having to suck hard to engage the automatic airflow senser.
However, this only sorts out the battery problem, and there are still many issues with all the DCT/CE systems.

[tez77]

These are great when new, but over a short period of time the waste products due to the heat used due to vapourisation lead to a build up of nasty tar like substance. This is contained in the wadding and when enough is created leads to an overflow in the central tube when you get a big hit of yukk!!

Can you clarify what you mean by "short period of time", how much liquid do you get through before this happens?

I've used the DCTs since they first came out, vaping at least 6ml a day through it. I generally run only one DCT at a time which gets chain vaped a lot. I tend to see around 50mls or more through a carto before I need to consider replacing it. Other than the odd episode of it burning dry due to me pressing the button whilst in my pockets and or snapping the carto off its base by having it in my trouser pocket when working/bending down etc etc I really have no problems and Im pretty hard to please. I amost gave up vaping out of frustration with some of the products available, then the DCTs hit the shelves and I've been happy with them ever since... The only thing I would trade them for is a 6ml version of a CE3 with all of the current issues resolved.

Generally speaking mouthfuls of nasty stuff are extremely rare, I think the only time this has happened is when one coil was not performing, therefore not vaporizing the liquid properly resulting in a little flooding but honestly, 99.8% of the time the DCT has performed flawlessly for me.

How about a DCT with a wick system - maybe the way forward?

Well depending on the capacity you need, you could try the Torpedo Clearo which IIRC is about 2.5ml. My experience with that was not a good one, they seem to have all the flaws of the previous CE3 clearos however, when it works well it is very good but be prepared for liquid in mouth/dry hits and leakage as you may experience some if not all of those... then again you may have a fine time with them. IMO they are a little pricey, that said they are 25% off at the moment so if you wanted to try it now is probably a good time.