Nicotine Stengths

[D4u2s0t]

Ok, so I've been using the 18mg, which seems perfect for me.  I've been wondering though, what does that really mean?  11, 18, 36, etc...  I'm trying to figure out how this relates to analogs, I have never looked into nicotine contents previously.  I love vaping, but did I instantly just quadruple my nicotine intake?  Cut it in half?  Was curious, and couldn't find anything.

[Edny]

I was on about 40 untipped roll ups a day and been vaping since February and 18mg seems about the right strengh for me.

[cyborg]

I never thought of trying to convert nic content from analogue’s to e-cig.
You want an analogue you smoke one.
You want a vape so you vape.
Over do ether and you start to get ill.
At least if you want to chain vape simply because you like it you can cut down on the strength of the liquid & end up with the same nic intake as using high strength infrequently.
Someone must have worked it out & will no doubt post it.     

[D4u2s0t]

Yea Cyborg, that's exactly what I do.  I find I vape MUCH differently than I smoked...  I take a puff, put it down, wait a while, take another puff, put it down...  I rarely take more than 2 or 3 puffs, and usually that's just when I am trying a new flavor.  I've been averaging prob. about 1.5 ml per day vaping.  If it's charged, 1 battery lasts me the whole day lol.  So I'm assuming the nic content is higher than what I'm used to, but at the same time, I'm vaping less, so it all works out.

Just something I was curious about.

[Casion]

When I was in the US I stopped by one of those e-cig stands in the mall.  I thought I would play with the guy and girl there for a bit, much to the amusement of my American friend.  He asked me what strength I vaped and I told him 18mg.  He looked horrified and told me to be careful as I shouldn't be vaping any more than 9mg.  I was a bit insulted tbh.  He also asked me how long my Tornado battery lasts and I told him 2 days (actually, it is usually less than a day, but I was playing around).  He told me his mini-e-cig-type-thing would last three days.  I laughed at that.

I'm still not convinced that the Nicotine is as strong as an analog, as I do have the odd one every so often and it always makes me feel light headed (and a little sick).  I think I read somewhere that it has to do with the reactive nature of Nicotine, and how the electronic cigarette breaks it before it reaches you.  However, whenever I try to cut down on the Nicotine in my Titan Tank, I am always left disappointed and quickly revert back up to full strength (18mg).

[Casion]

OK, I've found this:

An average cigarette yields about 1 mg of absorbed nicotine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine

A Titan Tank cartidge has a capacity of 0.5ml.

18mg strength is 18mg per 1ml.

Therefore, 1 titan tank at:
9mg is equivelent to 4.5 cigarettes.
18mg is equivelent to 9 cigarettes.
36mg is equivelent to 18 cigarettes.

(as long as all nicotene is absorbed)

[Phil A.]

I don't think the nicotine absorption can be the same with e-cigs and cigarettes: I used to smoke 30 cigarettes a day, but now vape 5ml of 18mg juice a day. By your calculations, that would be the same nicotine as 90 cigarettes and I think I'd have noticed if I'd tripled my nicotine intake

[Paige]

I don't think the nicotine absorption can be the same with e-cigs and cigarettes: I used to smoke 30 cigarettes a day, but now vape 5ml of 18mg juice a day. By your calculations, that would be the same nicotine as 90 cigarettes and I think I'd have noticed if I'd tripled my nicotine intake

The numbers are correct but i feel as you do... I vape about 5ml a day of 36mg American Red Tobacco to feel normal. that is, 180 cigarettes a day. that is 9 times higher then the 20 analogs a day i was using before.. 

[Casion]

I don't think the nicotine absorption can be the same with e-cigs and cigarettes: I used to smoke 30 cigarettes a day, but now vape 5ml of 18mg juice a day. By your calculations, that would be the same nicotine as 90 cigarettes and I think I'd have noticed if I'd tripled my nicotine intake

Reading other forum posts on here I totally agree with you.  That is why I put the brackets at the bottom.  I very much doubt you absorb 100% of the nicotine that you put in.  All we need to do now is work out the absorbed percentage and you will have your answer.

Absorbtion = No. of analogs previously smoked / (Vaping Strength x Amount Vaped)

Phil A.    = 33.3%
Balista   = 11.1%
Myself   = ~27.8%

This is not science, it's just interesting.

[Rtsjr]

Remember the light headed feeling from analogs is due to 4,000 chemicals in the cigg.
Nic should be about the same absorbstion rate either way just with cigs you get all the other crap.

[ankido]

I'm vaping 18mg and I vape a lot.  You are trying to tell me I'm smoking more than a pack a day?  How come TW doesn't have ZERO nicotine or Ultra Light like a 6 or 4mg?

[D4u2s0t]

Patriot range has 6mg, and I believe some of the ranges have zero nic.

[TA7 I ZULU]

Patriot range has 6mg, and I believe some of the ranges have zero nic.

The patrior range does indeed have 6mg

[D4u2s0t]

I'm vaping 18mg and I vape a lot.  You are trying to tell me I'm smoking more than a pack a day?  How come TW doesn't have ZERO nicotine or Ultra Light like a 6 or 4mg?

Not to mention, you're not smoking anything!!  Remember that the nicotine is not that harmful, if you don't overuse it.  It's all the other chemicals in cigarettes that make them so bad.

[vp_smoker]

Think am on the same side of the fence as Phil A, as I got a titan tank and go through between 9 - 10 carts a day at 18mg, and sometimes feel like I need more. I was on 30 - 40 analogues a day. I have noticed though it does depend on what I vape, not sure if this is just me or the hit I get with some flavours just doesnt fo it.

[rogue44status]

is nicotine or vaping in general hard on your teeht , i have noticed some of the people in vaping vids have some oral issues.. no offense to anyone

[Knoton]

I believe that all peoples ability to absorb nicotine from vaping is different.
Therefor I can only speak for myself and my experience with it.
I was a 30 cig per day smoker,
Each cig had 0.6 mg nicotine in them
30 * 0.6 = 18mg
That is equal to 1ml @ 18mg nicotine.
I was using about 3ml @ 18mg nicotine per day in the beginning.
So for me the math was easy just 3 times more per day than analouges.
(Amount of nic for 1 cig * no of cigs) * 3 = amount of nicotine vaped per day.

But that is for me, for someone else it gotta be different, but you could do the same calculations
to get your level of nicotine absorbation from vaping versus using analouges.

But maybe that calculation is worthless, ones body might change and the ability to absorb nicotine...

oy oy hope above is readable in some way

[nycbrown]

From what I understand the nicotine absorption rate for analogs is much higher because the chemicals in them make the absorption much more efficient and fast.  I've read you absorb at most 40% the amount of nicotine when vaping than you would analogging the same nicotine level.  And this is probably the reason most of us vape what we think to be twice the amount of nicotine than we took in with analogs.

[grizewald]

From what I understand the nicotine absorption rate for analogs is much higher because the chemicals in them make the absorption much more efficient and fast.  I've read you absorb at most 40% the amount of nicotine when vaping than you would analogging the same nicotine level.  And this is probably the reason most of us vape what we think to be twice the amount of nicotine than we took in with analogs.

It's nothing to do with 'the chemicals'. It's basic chemistry. In a cloud of vapour, the particles are much
larger than smoke particles. In smoke, the nicotine is contained in much smaller particles and therefore
is absorbed much more readily. Smaller particles = larger surface area, therefore more dissolves into the
blood.

[Rtsjr]

Even though the particles are smaller they are also burnt and changed on a chemical level.
It has a lot to do with,
Do you hold your smoke in longer?
Do you take a bigger drag?
Do you smoke it to the filter?
All these things affect how much nic actually gets into your system. This makes it hard to compare ENI to analog.
On the absorption note, no matter the particle size if all is absorbed "all is absorbed".

[Darth Vaper]

This has worked in the past to help new vapers pick a correct e-liquid strength to start with.

Please do keep in mind however that electronic cigarettes are classified as a tobacco product by the FDA and this advice should in no way be construed as smoking cessation advice. If you are looking to quit smoking please seek the advice of a qualified physician. This advice should only be viewed as getting the correct amount to alleviate some of the ups and downs some experience when they first switch over to vaping ..... trying to figure out a dosage to start with can be difficult so hopefully this information helps some avoid purchasing the wrong strength, wasting time and money.



This a comparison between analog cigarettes vs electronic cigarettes e-liquid strength.

5- cigarettes a day - 8mg e-liquid or lower
10 cigarettes a day - 11mg e-liquid
20 cigarettes a day - 18mg e-liquid
30 cigarettes a day - 24mg e-liquid
40 cigarettes a day - 36mg e-liquid

These are middle of the road suggestions. You may find you have to go up or down one step on the list. Some go up one level in the mornings when the nicotine levels are at there lowest.

A dosage too weak, the more you will have to vape to get your fix.

Stronger the dosage the less you will have to vape.

[Rtsjr]

Is also say those are good starting points

[pufferfish]

If you aren't getting the amount of nicotine your body is used to,
the vape will not satisfy.
If you are getting too much nicotine for your needs,
you will get a headache.
That's really all you need to know; conversion from analogue to vape is futile because we all absorb nicotine at varying rates dependent on body chemistry and many other incidental factors including how heavy your last meal was and whether it included dairy products, leafy green vegetables, B vitamin complex and a host of other variables.
It cannot be effectively analysed without blood tests and gas spectometry at half-hour intervals over a 24 hour period and a comparison chart for each individual.
Enjoy your vape, if you get a headache or feel nauseous, leave it alone for half an hour.
 

[petenich]

Based on my experience when I first started vaping, I would agree with both Darth Vaper and Puffer Fish.

I started vaping "Real Tabs" at 36mg strength, and then moved to 24mg for a bit, and now all my juices are at 18mg. As an aside, as my taste-buds/ vaping style has developed, I no longer use any tobacco flavours.

Just my experiences.

[Casion]

Absorbtion = No. of analogs previously smoked / (Vaping Strength x Amount Vaped)

Phil A.  = 33.3%
Balista  = 11.1%
Myself   = ~27.8%
vp_smoker   = 38.9%
Knoton  = ~37.0% (adjusted for lower strength analogs)

Average   = 29.6%

I think the average is likely to be about 1/3 of absorbed nicotene through vaping; taking out Balista's skewed result    I would love to get some more figures for this.

Remember, this is just for fun.

[pufferfish]

Remember, this is just for fun.

Lolz Casion, did I appear to have a sense of humour failure in my last post?
I probably did 
Sorry if it seemed that way, but people do get a kind of negative preoccupation with nic levels which never got considered with the "previous nicotine delivery method"  (Why use one word where four will do?).
I think it's important to remember what you're NOT taking in. 

[Casion]

Haha pufferfish, that wasn't aimed at you... or anyone for that matter.  I just don't want anyone to start telling me I'm wrong, when I already know that I'm not right.

Actually, I'm not even making claims on the correct nicotine strength.  Some people might find that they don't like vaping because they are using a nicotine strength that is too low or too high.  Although Darth Vaper's guide is accurate, I believe the amount of time spent vaping is important too.  I vape constantly throughout the day, so I should be using a lower strength, whilst someone who can only vape on breaks might want a higher strength for quick bursts.

[pufferfish]

You're spot on there, Casion
I've been amused by the quick judgements some folks make after one puff on a Tornado.
Consider the time and effort we all put in to get our perfect vape; containing a mix which it's taken a lot of trial and error to get flavour, throat hit and vapour just right....
Everybody has different wants/needs from a vape, no "one size fits all" option here....
It's the willingness to take a leap of imagination and give it a whirl... once you decide to vape it's just the start of your journey, grasshopper 
Oh dear, my favourite joke has just come to the surface again... guess what I used to do for a living.....

How many psychologists does it take to change a lightbulb?

One

But the lightbulb has to really WANT to change

 

[PatrickM]

Hello All,

I know this is an older thread, but like anyone, I just wanted to add my 2 cents in here.  

I received my Tornado T kit on the 24th of Dec. 2011.

Anyway, as most know, the kit comes with (2) 18mg, (2) 11mg, and (1) 8mg carts. I started
off using an 18mg cart as most probably do, because I was a very heavy smoker (2-3 packs
a day), and thought for sure I was going to need that amount.

I didn't make it through that first cart before I was trying one of the 11mg carts, as the 18's
seemed very strong to me. The throat hit was enormous, and I even coughed a couple of
times from such strong hits.

It didn't take long before I was thinking that the 11's were a bit strong as well. Not as bad
as the 18's were, but enough that I wanted to try something with still less nic.

I then tried the 8mg cart, and man was that great! I could get a huge hit with just the right
amount of throat hit, and tons 'o smoke (vape)! As well, while it lasted, I felt very satisfied
too. One cart lasts me about a day.

Now, just to clarify something here... I was a roll your own guy. I rolled my own smokes,
and used the "red" tobacco and the "red" filter tubes. Most days I would average about
2 packs a day, with some days going over that amount. So, I know I had a large nic
intake. I have been smoking for over 30 years. I started smoking around 14 or 15, so I've
been at it awhile.

I also purchase a 10ml bottle of the TW "Patriot Range" e-juice when I ordered my TT,
and that is 18mg as well. I almost order the 30mg level, and thank God I didn't! This 18mg
stuff is blowing my doors off! ha ha

So, I have supplies coming in tomorrow to make my own e-juice. My plans at this point
are to whip up a 2 or 3ml batch at 9mg nic and see how that goes.

My understanding from all of the reading I've done, is that the higher the nic level, the
harder the throat hit, so I'm going to start out lower instead of higher this time. But, I
also wonder if there could be other factors involved such as the PG/VG mix and the
flavoring that contributes to throat hit as well. Any thoughts on that?

I've been vaping for 1 week now, most of that at 18mg level, so hope I haven't moved myself
up to a higher nic level now. ha ha But, the throat hit is whats getting me. Analogs are just
smother to me than vaping. Like I said, the 8mg seemed about right, but only having one
cart to use for a little less than a day, not sure if that's long enough to tell if that's what's
going to work. Guess I will find out soon enough.

Any thoughts or input is welcomed.

Patrick

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[Knoton]