Nicotine Stengths

[Aussie]

is nicotine or vaping in general hard on your teeht , i have noticed some of the people in vaping vids have some oral issues.. no offense to anyone

G'day.  That's an interesting claim.  I know smoking standard smokes is no good for your gums.  Not sure why, perhaps its the decrease in oxygen the body endures when smoking.

Does anybody have any info for rogue44status -  I'm interested as well.

[Lettie22]

Patrick, I am a Newbie also, but have been vaping for about 2 months now.   I was a pack-a-day smoker and like you started out with the 18 strength.   One 1.1ml cartridge would last me one day also.   HOWEVER, as time has gone on, I am now a 2 to 3 cartridge-a-day vaper.   I have continued with the 18mg, but do cut it with some flavors so I am probably getting about 15 or 16ml strength.   I don't know if others were like me and started with 1 cart a day, but it increased.   I would love to find that out.

[Geth]

From what I understand the nicotine absorption rate for analogs is much higher because the chemicals in them make the absorption much more efficient and fast.  I've read you absorb at most 40% the amount of nicotine when vaping than you would analogging the same nicotine level.  And this is probably the reason most of us vape what we think to be twice the amount of nicotine than we took in with analogs.

It's nothing to do with 'the chemicals'. It's basic chemistry. In a cloud of vapour, the particles are much
larger than smoke particles. In smoke, the nicotine is contained in much smaller particles and therefore
is absorbed much more readily. Smaller particles = larger surface area, therefore more dissolves into the
blood.

Not to be a party pooper but have any of you actually read the study on vaping done by New Zealand? It says nicotine is absorbed almost instantly into the bloodstream and there is no danger of 2nd hand nicotine poisoning because it is all absorbed into the bloodstream. Vapor or not it doesn't leave your lungs.  The study also shows different strengths of liquid and nicotine available per puffand I think does the same for analogues as a comaprison.And as for strength of nicotine in liquid as far as I am aware of it is xx amount of nicotine is dissolved per ml of liquid. If you'd like an idea of how much nicotine your analogues have/ or had as the case may be you may find the chart here helpfull: http://www.erowid.org/plants/tobacco/tobacco_nic.shtml

[Knoton]

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Not to be a party pooper but have any of you actually read the study on vaping done by New Zealand? It says nicotine is absorbed almost instantly into the bloodstream and there is no danger of 2nd hand nicotine poisoning because it is all absorbed into the bloodstream. Vapor or not it doesn't leave your lungs.  The study also shows different strengths of liquid and nicotine available per puffand I think does the same for analogues as a comaprison.And as for strength of nicotine in liquid as far as I am aware of it is xx amount of nicotine is dissolved per ml of liquid. If you'd like an idea of how much nicotine your analogues have/ or had as the case may be you may find the chart here helpfull: http://www.erowid.org/plants/tobacco/tobacco_nic.shtml

Whatever studies says I think we should always experiement to find out how much we need for the moment.
If one goes by figures by some studies one can get worried of getting to much or doing something bad.
The body will always tell when your are either low on nicotine or to high.
I used cigs that held 0.6mg nic and about 30 per day.
That is equal to 1ml of 18mg e-juice.
That little was way to little for me in the beginning and would have given me severe withdrawal symptoms.
I was in fact using about 3-4ml of 18mg nic juice.
I strongly believe it vary from person to person how much you are able to absorb.
It can also vary from time to time with that same person.
So experiment until satisfied 

[Lettie22]

I totally agree with you Knoton on the absorbtion.      I believe the absorbtion rate for smoking a cigarette is much higher than vaping.  








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[RichJr]

I've read a few studies that prove vaporizing and smoking yield the same results. I'll try to find the links and post them if they are acceptable here.







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[Knoton]

If I, in the beginning, had seen studies that told me that one tank of 18mg would be equal to my usage of cigs per day
I am affraid that I would have been thinking that vaping is not for me, something gotta be wrong for me.
I feel totally unsatisfied by this, cant do it better go back to my old ways...
In the beginning I started with 11mg/ml thinking since I used rather low nicotine cigs that would be ok.
I was feeling unsatisfied all the time until I asked for advice here on the forum, telling that I felt unsatisfied
and I was worried about getting way to much and would be increasing my nicotine intake.
I was told not to worry, to try a higher mg/ml, that my body would tell me if I get to little or to much.
Due to that advice I relaxed and continued to experiment to find my way.

[Lettie22]

Rich, if you can find those websites, I would most definitely be interested in reading them.   When I researched the issue on the net, I couldn't find anything comparing the two.

[RichJr]

Nope. Cant post them on the forum. ;(
Try to google it. It's not about nicotine so try vaporizing not vaping.

[stretch210]

I dont get my juice from TW i get it from somewere else and i buy a Low which is 8mg and a Zero which ob is 0mg and i mix it so that it is now 2mg - I am finding it very difficult now, but i do want to get down to no nicotine at all and simply vape just for the fun of it 

I did start on 36mg and that was only 8 months ago so i think im doing pretty well 

[Skarina]

I vape about two cartridges a day of 16ml which is about 1ml of 16ml. To supplement that "oral fixation" I also carry nic free liquid with me so I can vape all day.

[Firewing]

I started vaping on December 25th of last year, so have only been doing it a little over three months. I have found I need to use the 36 mg juice cut with about 1/3 PG or VG. I am hoping to cut it down to 24 mg shortly.

[The Vape Escape]

The absorption rate is both higher and much more instantaneous with cigs than with Vaping according to studies I have read.
If I remember rightly..  It IS actually to do with particle size as Geth mentioned in an earlier post. If i remember rightly..The particulate matter in smoke allows the Nicotine to be transported into the lower respitory tract where it is instantly absorbed into the lung lining.
 The research then went on to say that In the absence of smoke particles.. The nicotine is delivered in a gaseous form that is quickly Removed when we breathe out and therefore the absorption is attained via the Mouth and throat rather than the lungs etc..

That's the basic idea anyway! 

I will have to try and find the study so I can link to it at some point as im no scientist but an interesting subject nevertheless!  

Of course, the other thing is.. With Vaping.. I find that I can take a few puffs and then set it down for a while. With an analogue.. I used to finish them.. Even if I didn't want it all, simply because I didn't want to waste it! Lol.. 

[Kenneth131]

I find all this very interesting and possibly we should see if there is any way which TW could help us on our way to clinical studies.
I for one would be more than willing to offer myself up as a proverbial "guinea pig" for such tests to be done and finally be on our way to happy vaping.

From all the studies I have read about PG and vaporizing drugs in medicinal studies the only negative I can see is that as, i suppose with any inhaled substance, it can irritate your airways.

Asthma has been the only real medical issue i have found any evidence of with inhalation of mist not e liquid vapour though. Where it is thought to be a higher risk of this occurring if exposed to it for a prolonged undetermined period of time.

I for one am fed up with e cigs being banned in work places etc because of fears of passive inhalation and harm. When I can see no evidence of this in studies nor the risk of nicotine absorption being possible for any bystanders to someone vaping.


As for nicotine absorption from an electronic cigarette as far as i can make out little nicotine even makes it to our little smoke free lungs. Unlike that of our tar coated friends who, when they inhale on their smouldering plant matter, take in nicotine that makes it to the lungs due to smaller particles and helped along with other chemicals.

 The nicotine in the ecig is mostly absorbed in the mouth lining. Which If you ever vape on some 36mg will be pretty evident when you get that funny feeling shortly after in your mouth.

The same is present if you have ever used a nicotine spray, gum or lozenge not that ecigs are for nrt purposes but the absorption method of nicotine appears to be similar in both.


As for strength I would also assume like most on the forum that 18mg for eg is 18mg per ml thus 1ml of vaped liquid is equivelant to 18 1mg analogues. And when you think a tank holds 1.1ml then one tank is just less than 20 a day.

However there is always a BUT and here it is that the method of nicotine delivery as mentioned above is not equivalent to that of analogues nor is the nicotine as pure as sheer brute force extraction from the plant by heating it to 1000 degrees, I would get out of there to at that temp. So it will never be the same as an analogue, Thats like saying caffeine tablets are the same as a fresh ground coffee. It just isnt

Now lastly before i shut my eyes and slumber

Someone mentioned on here that nicotine is not harmful. Well it is.
But so is caffeine, cocoa and acai.

people eat drink and ingest these items ever day yet they are not banned. Why?

Because the sheer amount required to be dangerous is pretty damn high.
To consume enough would make you ill before you reached LD50.



I have personally seen the effects of someone who, in their infinite wisdom decided to chow down on some rolling tobacco. Now with the high nicotine intake in the stomach, they were violently ill and lost all control of their bodily functions. A few days in hospital and they were much better.

So if you are plan on drinking that lovely bottle of Platinum Ice you just got im guessing you fall down allot on a daily basis, if however you just want to vape on some nice 18mg nic then mix up a batch of your fav liquid and vape away.

Just always remember to keep the bottles sealed and out of reach of children as nicotine is toxic and children dont know any better.


Also while im on the subject of liquids PG actually destroys both bacteria and viruses so the chance of getting any illness from liquid lying in your ecig for a while etc is pretty damn slim.


As always I totally appreciate you all sticking with me through this and hope it was some way to being informative.

 

[stretch210]

I have asthma and seem to be having problems latley but i think it may be that i have now added VG to my mix and a bit of diy mixing so i think i may go back to buying it premixed as i didnt have any problems then 

[Kenneth131]

Pg may well irritate airways where as vg will not but you loose throat hit with vg. Most pre mix is 80% pg 20% vg but they all vape differently

[RichJr]

I have asthma and seem to be having problems latley but i think it may be that i have now added VG to my mix and a bit of diy mixing so i think i may go back to buying it premixed as i didnt have any problems then 

That's odd because the pg is what irritates/ give the hit. I've gone up to 50/50 VG PG and it helped my asthma. I can't buy 80/20 pre-mixes anymore. Now the concentrates you use can and will change the hit also. Certain flavors have a bigger hit and raising the flavor % also raises the already high hit. What concentrates are you using?

[Knoton]

I have asthma and seem to be having problems latley but i think it may be that i have now added VG to my mix and a bit of diy mixing so i think i may go back to buying it premixed as i didnt have any problems then 

I have also asthma and I cant use LR atties.
Way to harsh for my throat.
Like Rtsjr I believe that PG is worser for asthma than VG.
Seems like I can handle huge clouds of vapour but not throat hit.

[stretch210]

Well this is what i dont understand its driving me crazy! I got in touch with the people who i used to order the pre-mixed stuff from and they use 100% PG mixes which i have been fine with for say 8 months now. The problems mainly started after i had used the Ego c for a while - How this can effect me i dont know. I have now ordered another CE3 as i used this for a while and had no problems, just hope the god damn thing works lol 

If it does work i will try it out for a bit with a flavourless mix of 100 % PG then slowley add a bit of flavour bit by bit. If this fails i will do a more high % VG mix and if that fails i will just cry 

[pufferfish]

stretchy, have you paid your doctor a visit?
I don't want to alarm you, but you may be having a problem with your airways which is entirely unrelated to vaping and you would be well-advised to check out that you aren't having a medical problem arising.
If you were to have any sensitivity to the ingredients in e-juice, it would be most likely to be the PG in your mix irritating your airways; however this is very uncommon and since you've been vaping 100% PG for some time.........
 

[stretch210]

I have been to the docs - he said my asthma seems to be getting worse but also could be the pollen in the air (as I have gay fever too) so goin get some hay fever tablets aswell. I'm allergic to loads of stuff lol hence why I thought it could be this but I have been fine with 100% Pg. i may go 50:50 VG / Pg tbh I'm just sick of trying to find something that will work for me now. You should see the amount of bottles I have in my kitchen

[stretch210]

Ps I mean hay fever not gay fever! Bloody iPhone

[The Vape Escape]

Lol Stretch.. First this dam Vomiting bug.. now Gay Fever? Think I might have to stay indoors until all these bugs pass! 

I only suffer from mild Hay fever but have noticed that it has started for this year recently. So I think there is a lot of pollen flying around.. seem to have the sniffles permanently at the moment!? 

[alexlind]

Heya

I started out at 36mg and now i'm on 11mg and i really dont feel a difference. As far as i understand an analog smoke contain chemicals that allows the nicotine to be obtained faster in the blood vessels and im pretty sure you get a LOT more nicotine from a regular ciagarette then you do from vaping. I dont get that "nicotine high" / dizzyness when i vape, not even if took a huge drag on a 34mg after i just woke up. And though nicotine is a nerve toxin it isnt the thing that kills you when you are smoking regular cigarettes. So i dont think you have to worry

[Lettie22]

Heya

I started out at 36mg and now i'm on 11mg and i really dont feel a difference. As far as i understand an analog smoke contain chemicals that allows the nicotine to be obtained faster in the blood vessels and im pretty sure you get a LOT more nicotine from a regular ciagarette then you do from vaping. I dont get that "nicotine high" / dizzyness when i vape, not even if took a huge drag on a 34mg after i just woke up. And though nicotine is a nerve toxin it isnt the thing that kills you when you are smoking regular cigarettes. So i dont think you have to worry

Curious to know when you started vapin; i.e. how long did it take you to go from 36mg to 11mg?   Also, what increments did you use each time you reduced the nicotine, as I assume you didn't just jump from 36 to 11?

[dereck72]

When low res atties were released I dropped my nic from 36 to 18 immediately...the change from standard res to LR really helped with the lesser throat hit of lower nic juice.  My allergies are off the chain right about now 4 days with the pollen index over 11 a slight dip today in the high 9's and going back to the 11's this week  <---those aren't tears it's my eyes watering from the pollen

[alexlind]

Heya

I started out at 36mg and now i'm on 11mg and i really dont feel a difference. As far as i understand an analog smoke contain chemicals that allows the nicotine to be obtained faster in the blood vessels and im pretty sure you get a LOT more nicotine from a regular ciagarette then you do from vaping. I dont get that "nicotine high" / dizzyness when i vape, not even if took a huge drag on a 34mg after i just woke up. And though nicotine is a nerve toxin it isnt the thing that kills you when you are smoking regular cigarettes. So i dont think you have to worry

Curious to know when you started vapin; i.e. how long did it take you to go from 36mg to 11mg?   Also, what increments did you use each time you reduced the nicotine, as I assume you didn't just jump from 36 to 11?

I started vaping about 12 months ago. I went with 36mg for about a month and then i went down to 18 and kept it there for about 4 month and then went down to 11. im going down to 8mg next month

[Lettie22]

Congrats to you!   Both my doctor and dentist are anxiously awaiting for me to get down to 0.   I told them not to hold their breath, because it will take a while IF I ever get that low.  However both were elated with the progress so far.

[Hazel]

I don't think the nicotine absorption can be the same with e-cigs and cigarettes: I used to smoke 30 cigarettes a day, but now vape 5ml of 18mg juice a day. By your calculations, that would be the same nicotine as 90 cigarettes and I think I'd have noticed if I'd tripled my nicotine intake

i don't know anything about absorption levels but i figured the relationship to analogs to be
18mg = full flavor
11mg = light
6mg = ultra light
and above 18mg = non-filters

10 puffs is supposed to = 1 cigarette
i don't know how accurate that is, but it seems a good place to start from

hope this helps

Hazel

[brandieak]

Hilo lovies!

I started vaping at 36mgs allowed me to transition from my usual 20 analogs. Its funny but I don't think vaping would have been viable if I hadn't started at 36mg cause, I couldn't taste anything with a lower mg strength. A couple weeks went by and I found myself having heart flutters not headaches which clued me in that I was taking in too much nicotine. So I took it down to 24mg by mixing myself a batch.....still heart flutters by the end of the day. 3days later I dropped it down to 18mg. No flutters but I did have high blood pressure at my doc appt. So, a week after dropping to 18mg I dropped it again to 12mg.....I experienced some withdrawal uncomfyness.

I waited the withdrawals out and now 12mg is my steady vape. My last doc appt. showed a dramatic drop in blood pressure woohoo! Now I can keep my luxury and be healthy 

Anywho, as a vaper I like to chain. I think how much u vape will affect how much nic you have in your system.

 Vape alot? or Vape a little?  is an effective gauge with which to decide how much mgs of nic is in your liquid