O.K. Ive got a q

[Mr_Rayne]

Where did my post go?!
I literally invested 2 hours in that discussion. making math, trying some jokes, introducing myself, telling my story and my thoughts, and ask some good q, and now its GONE..
I just dont understand why!? what rule did I brake!?
And can we get that discussion back?

[Vaper Boy]

Not to sure never read your post

did you read the forum rules

http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussions/legal-advisory-and-revised-terms-of-forum-use/msg167968/#msg167968

[Mr_Rayne]

Not to sure never read your post

did you read the forum rules

http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussions/legal-advisory-and-revised-terms-of-forum-use/msg167968/#msg167968

Yes. Of course i did! It would be inapropiate not to read it before posting.
But unfortunatly reading the rules and understanding them is 2 different things, so now after I read the rules, I wanna make sure i understand them.

[Killjoy]

It could have been my fault . . . I posted a link to a page of compiled studies regarding the safety of PG.  While that page seemed perfectly fine, I now see that other parts of that site may violate the rules, so if that was the reason I apologize

[Darth Vaper]

Please check your email Mr Rayne an explanation was sent at time of removal.

Smoking cessation claims, discussions about health benefits, doctors endorsing vaping are not allowed here.

Discussions of that nature would suggest we are selling pharmaceutical smoking cessation products.
We sell recreational nicotine delivery devices and are classified as a "tobacco product" by the FDA.

To go about it by any other means would lead to you no longer being able to purchase vaping supplies and a complete ban blocking all importation/exportation/and sales of said supplies. This goes for all vendors in the US .... most likely in the UK as well in the very near future.

Myself and Caz have edited far to many posts in the past couple of days..... multiple times for some members. The rules are linked on every page of the forum.
http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussions/legal-advisory-and-revised-terms-of-forum-use/
And it's clearly stated:
Such statements will be subject to immediate editing and/or removal.

Should we really have to go through a thread and edit 10 posts by both new and older members?

Do we really need to edit 20 to 40 posts a day directing members to read the rule?  

You spent 2 hours on that post... Myself and Caz have spent 2 months going through the entire forum endlessly to bring this forum into compliance. It was either that or remove it completely and flush 2 years of posts to never never land........ all posts would be lost and a complete and utter waste of everyone's time. That was something either of us could not stand to see and why we bit the bullet and did it.

My suggestion is to spend 20 seconds and read the rule and please follow it.
This is one rule that can not be broken in any way, shape or form here.
To do so infringes upon everyone's right to buy/sell vaping goods.







I would prefer to ask fellow members for some assistance, when you read a post that contains subject matter of this nature can you please point it out to the poster... I would much rather see a member edit there own words and do so within the 2hr edit window, before a bunch of others join in. I think this would work best for all of us here and none of us waste our time with issues of this nature.

Ten posts in a row with

Post edited to comply with forum regulations
http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussions/legal-advisory-and-revised-terms-of-forum-use/

Looks a bit ridiculous.

[Rtsjr]

Hey Darth I really didn't think of that but now that you say it I like it. I will keep my eyes open and remind anyone who needs edit their post. I joined just over a month ago and was only edited once. That was enough to make me read the rules TWICE. As I read the second time I understood the severity as it became personal to me. I don't want my recreation taken away. I like it better than actual smoke. It's tasty. It's cheap. It's vaping. If you appreciate vaping comply with the rules please. We are the future.

[Ajay]

Oh! Now you put it that way, apologies guys, it is kinda hard not to scream it from the rooftops when you first get into this, but I certainly don't want to impact on anyone else's fun, point taken.
There are other boards out there where you can post what you like, this one is the place I always return to as the other members are all nice friendly folk, reams of info'/advice and the owners are not just a faceless bunch after your cash.
On saying that I hope they make a million 
 

[Hephaestus]

I must admit after reading Darths post the forum rules make more sense to me now, rules are are good but only if they are easy to understand

[Britwizard]

Er, ok, I am about to make myself sound REALLY dumb....

But, if it helps make something better for someone in some way, here goes..

The word "cessation"... NEVER ever heard of it before... (thank the internet people for google I say!)

I'm sure a lot of people haven't, Just an idea, but maybe an idiots guide, you know like ".....cessation, for example..." would be a good idea..

I work on a radio show, and believe me, there are some people out there that wouldn't know what words longer than 3 letters mean, (prime example talking here!!)

Just an idea, but if you write it so a 3 year old could understand it, maybe there would be no excuse?

To that note, I've noticed some of my posts have been edited, so for that I do apologise, and will try not to make the mistake again!!

Hope this helps,

D

[Mr_Rayne]

Oh, I thought it was the reason. But only because it was the only thing that said "will be removed".
I agree with britz here on this one. I am Israeli, and my english isnt the worst, but when it gets to understanding complicated things im not the best. and frankly it looks good that you have written it in a above avarege language, but without examples or without simplyfing it abit more for folks like us that rules post dosent do its job.
And btw, i looked the word "cessation" up in google too.. it didnt help me much.
Anyway after reading the email sent to me i understand it better, and i guess some of the discussions i want to have will be off theise forums. But we can still talk about reaserches made about pg and things

[Britwizard]

I'll be honest with you, I forgot all about foreign speaking people, where their first language is not English! - Well presented!

[blushdrip]

Please check your email Mr Rayne an explanation was sent at time of removal.

Smoking cessation claims, discussions about health benefits, doctors endorsing vaping are not allowed here.

Discussions of that nature would suggest we are selling pharmaceutical smoking cessation products.
We sell recreational nicotine delivery devices and are classified as a "tobacco product" by the FDA.

To go about it by any other means would lead to you no longer being able to purchase vaping supplies and a complete ban blocking all importation/exportation/and sales of said supplies. This goes for all vendors in the US .... most likely in the UK as well in the very near future.

...

Do we really need to edit 20 to 40 posts a day directing members to read the rule?  

....
My suggestion is to spend 20 seconds and read the rule and please follow it.
This is one rule that can not be broken in any way, shape or form here.
To do so infringes upon everyone's right to buy/sell vaping goods.

I would prefer to ask fellow members for some assistance, when you read a post that contains subject matter of this nature can you please point it out to the poster... I would much rather see a member edit there own words and do so within the 2hr edit window, before a bunch of others join in. I think this would work best for all of us here and none of us waste our time with issues of this nature.

Ten posts in a row with

Post edited to comply with forum regulations
http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussions/legal-advisory-and-revised-terms-of-forum-use/

Looks a bit ridiculous.

You'll find my first post in these forums has an "edited by Darth Vaper" stamp on it. I do apologize! I also read the rules and warnings before I posted. I didn't think what I said was much different than the counter on many posters' signatures, but I guess it was a grey area that was better to be avoided. I certainly didn't intend to violate the rules or add to anyone's workload... or jeopardize everyone's ability to buy and use these great products! I will take more care in future posts and help in any way I can. Cheers!

[Darth Vaper]

No worries blushdrip .... all is well.

Thanx for being understanding.

[BAzz]

I'm not having a go at Darth or Caz here, please note..

We seem to be living in a very litigious world, not helped by large industrial pressures on governments.

I can see us ending up with forums that looks like:

I love vaping because <censored> and it helped me <censored> when I <censored> with a melon and <censored>

So, the only thing the mods can do is remove any post with even a slight chance of breaking the 'rules'.

So I can't say that vaping has <censored> and <censored> and I can now <censored> without getting <censored>

[Killjoy]

We seem to be living in a very litigious world, not helped by large industrial pressures on governments.

This is a sad truth, particularly in the US where people sue each other over a perceived slight and usually win.  Shoot all the lawyers, I say, line 'em all up and fire away 

[blushdrip]

dangit, I did it again   Sorry Caz! I swear I read all the rules multiple times. I guess if I can't figure out how to talk about analogs the "right way", that I should avoid talking about them as much as possible from here on out. Again, my apologies.

[8Ball]

I'm not having a go at Darth or Caz here, please note..

We seem to be living in a very litigious world, not helped by large industrial pressures on governments.

I can see us ending up with forums that looks like:

I love vaping because <censored> and it helped me <censored> when I <censored> with a melon and <censored>

So, the only thing the mods can do is remove any post with even a slight chance of breaking the 'rules'.

So I can't say that vaping has <censored> and <censored> and I can now <censored> without getting <censored>

Nice BAzz.   I <censored> myself laughing when I read this.  I loved it when you <censored> with the melon, and then <censored>.  Great stuff that.

[Britwizard]

<censored>MSL, ROFLM<censored>O

I cant stop laughing my <censored> off!!

[Geth]

We seem to be living in a very litigious world, not helped by large industrial pressures on governments.

This is a sad truth, particularly in the US where people sue each other over a perceived slight and usually win.  Shoot all the lawyers, I say, line 'em all up and fire away 

It's sad really. Govt officials are nothing but overpaid lawyers/spindoctors that complicate our lives with unecessary complexity in the legal system and our lives and we pay these officials to do this to us.People are paranoid talking to other people hoping they won't upset them and be sued for something silly.

[Astrecks]

It is sad, a product of an over engineered society, we'll all soon disappear up our own <censored>

[Rtsjr]

Woah! That's not right being covered in (censored) and not knowing how it got there.

[K8]

... I love vaping because <censored> and it helped me <censored> when I <censored> with a melon and <censored>

....... So I can't say that vaping has <censored> and <censored> and I can now <censored> without getting <censored>

Whoa you did <censored> with a melon?   Well I only hope you were wise enough to <censored>.  Yesterday I got a tin of Brasso and cleaned my SD but although it's sparkly clean now I was worried about <censored>.  Still it might have been better with a melon.  Yes I too feel so much better since <censored> because <censored>

Kate <censored!!!>

 

[8Ball]

... I love vaping because <censored> and it helped me <censored> when I <censored> with a melon and <censored>

....... So I can't say that vaping has <censored> and <censored> and I can now <censored> without getting <censored>

Whoa you did <censored> with a melon?   Well I only hope you were wise enough to <censored>.  Yesterday I got a tin of Brasso and cleaned my SD but although it's sparkly clean now I was worried about <censored>.  Still it might have been better with a melon.  Yes I too feel so much better since <censored> because <censored>

Kate <censored!!!>

 

ROFLMAO!  Nice post Kate <censored>

[Killjoy]

What a bunch of <censored>s 

[Rtsjr]

Are you all <censored>? I feel so much <censored> now. <Censored>.

[whaleomelette]

i just spent all morning vaping, and i'm off my <Censor>ing <Censor>s with happy.

[jph]

Hey guys, I understand your strong desire to categorize your products a certain way, and not endorse any other claims or attributions or ideas presented by others.  But.... is all the work and effort of censoring really the best way to go about it?  You do not have to agree with everything that is posted by third parties on your forum.... it is a discussion forum where people may often express stuff you don't agree with, or cannot comment on.

Another solution that might make everyone happier might be to include on every post, or at least at the top and bottom of every topic, a "Totally Wicked disclaimer" and a link to a full blown list of everything you disclaim and to not endorse, including any studies, professional opinions, claims about cessation or other uses of the products, any links, etc.,  and that opinions expressed by users are theirs alone.  That would be a lot less work for you, it would mean more freedom of discussion, and maybe even better legal protection.

[8Ball]

Hi jph, and welcome to the forum.   Yeah, there was a lot of discussion about this when the forum rules first changed.  I agree with you, but unfortunately this is what the lawyers advised Jason he needed to do.  It's his company and his forum, so we're stuck living with the new rules (those of us who are left anyway).   Hope you hang around and give it a chance.  We can still help people with specific problems and questions related to TW hardware or juice mixing, and as long as their question isn't about <censored> or <censored>, or we don't talk about <censored> or <censored> or mention other <censored> or <censored> we can say pretty much anything we <censored>.

[K8]

[8Ball]

LOL K8!