PEG-400

[CraftQueen22]

What is the purpose of PEG-400?   

[Knoton]

Hello CraftQueen.
Welcome to the forum 

PEG-400 is a dilutant same as PG and VG
I think of peg-400 as just an alternative.
Some says it gives a smoother feeling to the vape.
I think it gives a slight perfume taste.
I have also heard it is more rough with the attys but cant confirm it hence the perfume taste makes me avoid it.

We love new people on the forum.
Please feel welcome to come to the new members area and say hello to the other members.
You will se they are a very friendly bunch, love to help out or just have a good time.

[blindsoup]

Hello and welcome. There are many threads here talking about PEG. I Peronally didn't have sany uck with it.

[pufferfish]

PEG-400 can be used as an alternative vaping fluid base for anybody who finds that they have a sensitivity to PG or VG.
This is uncommon and both PG and VG are extensively used in pharmaceutical products and food products too.
It has a slightly different taste and some don't like it, describing it as oily/creamy; some prefer it and use it because they like it.
It has been said that it reduces atty life and performs best on a newer atty.
At the end of the day, it's another choice to be had.   

[RichJr]

It takes a higher heat to make vapor so it's not good to use with an old atty. Peg-400 also makes incredible vapor amounts and has a very nice throat hit. The creaminess compliments some flavors nicely too. I never taste a perfume taste but maybe a slight chemical taste which us covered by a nice flavor easily. Think tarimisu with the creamy feel, I haven't tried that one but I think it's next in line for peg.

[hppbrian]

It takes a higher heat to make vapor so it's not good to use with an old atty. Peg-400 also makes incredible vapor amounts and has a very nice throat hit. The creaminess compliments some flavors nicely too. I never taste a perfume taste but maybe a slight chemical taste which us covered by a nice flavor easily. Think tarimisu with the creamy feel, I haven't tried that one but I think it's next in line for peg.

Will it work with a Tornado Mega Dual Coil Cartomizer? I have some Peg-400 base and dilutant (made a mistake on one of my first orders) that's gathering dust. Seems a shame to waste it 

[8Ball]

It takes a higher heat to make vapor so it's not good to use with an old atty. Peg-400 also makes incredible vapor amounts and has a very nice throat hit. The creaminess compliments some flavors nicely too. I never taste a perfume taste but maybe a slight chemical taste which us covered by a nice flavor easily. Think tarimisu with the creamy feel, I haven't tried that one but I think it's next in line for peg.

Will it work with a Tornado Mega Dual Coil Cartomizer? I have some Peg-400 base and dilutant (made a mistake on one of my first orders) that's gathering dust. Seems a shame to waste it 

Oi!  Don't waste it.  If nothing else, put it up on the trade board mate.  I wouldn't want it but someone will.

Sorry, I can't help with your question, never tried the stuff myself.

[RichJr]

It takes a higher heat to make vapor so it's not good to use with an old atty. Peg-400 also makes incredible vapor amounts and has a very nice throat hit. The creaminess compliments some flavors nicely too. I never taste a perfume taste but maybe a slight chemical taste which us covered by a nice flavor easily. Think tarimisu with the creamy feel, I haven't tried that one but I think it's next in line for peg.

Will it work with a Tornado Mega Dual Coil Cartomizer? I have some Peg-400 base and dilutant (made a mistake on one of my first orders) that's gathering dust. Seems a shame to waste it 

I haven't used it in a duel coil but assume it will work just fine. Try a small batch, you can even add PG or VG or both to peg. If you don't like it like 8ball said put it up for trades after.

[pufferfish]

I haven't used PEG-400 but I see no reason why it shouldn't vape like any other juice in any atty or carto you choose.
However before committing 3ml to a mega carto, try it out on something smaller to see whether it suits your taste or not.... don't risk spoiling a megaD/C if you dislike the juice 

[hppbrian]

I haven't used PEG-400 but I see no reason why it shouldn't vape like any other juice in any atty or carto you choose.
However before committing 3ml to a mega carto, try it out on something smaller to see whether it suits your taste or not.... don't risk spoiling a megaD/C if you dislike the juice 

I'll give it a go sometime. As they say 'nothing ventured nothing gained' 

[StevieD]

I can happily confirm that an all PEG mix will work fine in a Tornado Mega Dual Coil Carto  It gives so much vapour you could practically chew it!

[drahcir]

Rich peg works great with tiramasu and it works great in triple coil carts. It doesnt work so good in the ce3's

[wannakickit]

I have a couple of 10ml bottles of PEG400 56mg plat ice and haven't braved it yet. I got it as an alternative to PG as I'm suspecting that PG is havinbg a very slight affect on my mild asthma condition, nothing too heavy, but noticeable all the same. I bought 3 10ml VG and 2 10ml PEG400, I'm just mixing the last of the VG now, so I'll be trying the PEG400 next time I'm mixing.

I've been a bit dubious about the PEG as many people have reported a chemical taste, which puts me off a little.I will give it a go though. Funnily enough I've found the straight VG (with 20% Smirnoff Vodka) much better than PG for my asthma feelings, so may not need to bother with the PEG400, but I ought to at least try it in a mix and see what I think.

I have 14 different flavours to be going at, I think this mix I'm doing now is going to be Orange Clove with added Cinnamon, sounds very christmassy.

Martin

[RichJr]

I have asthma chronic bronchial asthma in and out of ER my whole life and 80% PG premixes kick my lungs a$$e$! It's not so much affecting my asthma as much as it just hurts my sensitive lungs. I use 50/50 PG VG now and it's not a problem anymore.

[Knoton]

I have asthma chronic bronchial asthma in and out of ER my whole life and 80% PG premixes kick my lungs a$$e$! It's not so much affecting my asthma as much as it just hurts my sensitive lungs. I use 50/50 PG VG now and it's not a problem anymore.

Hm... I have a ugly asthma as well, got really bad lungs.
Maybe I should try a higher percentage of VG as well, I use 30% right now.
Dont care that much in throat hit anyway. never have with my bad lungs.

[RichJr]

I have asthma chronic bronchial asthma in and out of ER my whole life and 80% PG premixes kick my lungs a$$e$! It's not so much affecting my asthma as much as it just hurts my sensitive lungs. I use 50/50 PG VG now and it's not a problem anymore.

Hm... I have a ugly asthma as well, got really bad lungs.
Maybe I should try a higher percentage of VG as well, I use 30% right now.
Dont care that much in throat hit anyway. never have with my bad lungs.

I would suggest it. VG is easier to breathe in. Thicker but less harsh.

[wannakickit]

Hi, I can definitely confirm that 100% VG (80%VG 20% Smirnoff Vodka) is much more agreeable to my asthma (very mild, fortunately), my lungs feel clear with the VG juice. There is a small percentage of PG in the mix as the flavourings list it as an ingredient, but very small % of the overall mix.


Also in Boots the chemist (UK) 500mls PG costs 8 pounds, whereas 200ml VG is 89pence. 

[Knoton]

I just realized that when my current PI is gone I have RL  500 ml @ 36mg/ml nic 80/20% pg/vg
Since I vape at 18mg/ml that means I cant cut the pg down much  maybe like 40%
Will do a better calculation when my brain awake 

[pufferfish]

Also in Boots the chemist (UK) 500mls PG costs 8 pounds, whereas 200ml VG is 89pence. 

Good grief, Boots are ripping you off 
I get mine from a smaller independent pharmacy (Moss) at £2.84 for 500ml and I thought that was steep

[NetSyphon]

With the Ego-C (tornado-c), PEG is nasty and it burns your atty with a horrible flavor thats hard to get rid of.  I even mixed it with super strong flavors like the Kahlua and still that horrible taste shined through.  Heard somewhere that its bad on any tornado, something about voltage..

[RichJr]

The 510 atomizers (standard and tank) do run hotter than any other thread types I've used. High heat will definitely change a flavor.

[jeddy 3]

Hi all,

Does VG need to be thinned/diluted or is it ready to go?

Cheers

Jeddy 3

[pufferfish]

Hi jeddy 
If you have your VG from the pharmacy and want to thin it for mixing or vaping, you'll need either
distilled water
de-ionised water
or good quality vodka, the higher the proof the better.
(vodka will add a little throat hit)

The ideal proportions are 85/15 VG/water (or voddy)
If you use more than 20% water it will likely be too thin and may cause leaks in your tanks...the air temperature will also thin your mix if it's very warm...a good reason not to leave your PV in a car on a hot day for instance.
You can of course use less water for a thicker mix, but too thick and you may have wicking issues with it.
It seems to be the consensus of opinion that the best proportion is 85/15 and I've found that works best for me.
Once you've done the dilution, you have a bottle of AG ready to use in your mixes.
Hope that answers your question 

[8Ball]

Hey Jeddy, you can usually get by with anything up to a 50/50 PG/VG mix with straight VG.  Any higher VG concentration than that will usually want a little thinning.  I mix all VG and usually only cut my juice by about 5-10% with distilled water, and I don't have too many wicking problems in anything other than the CE3s, but my mixes run to the thick side.  Like Ellie says, most peeps find an 85/15 ratio to be about right.  You might want to start there and then adjust accordingly.

[jclcombs]

I use PEG 400 nic solution and dilute with VG but sometimes the solution turns brown in the cart after vaping for a while. What should I do?

[StevieD]

I use PEG 400 nic solution and dilute with VG but sometimes the solution turns brown in the cart after vaping for a while. What should I do?

Just carry on vaping.....many ejuice mixes change colour over time, some get so dark they look like tar, but it's just a reaction to oxygen, light and heat, and as your cart gets heated by the atty the reaction speeds up a bit.

[jeddy 3]

Hi 8-ball and Pufferfish,

Many thanks for your replies, will get cracking on that right away.

Jeddy 3