Odyssey on Vapour Trails TV - Thursday 31st May 9pm UK time

[Astrecks]

Don’t take our word for it!
Get an honest, upfront review of the Totally Wicked Odyssey Electronic Cigarette.

This is essential viewing if you’re thinking of investing in an Odyssey.

Hear what Dave Dorn has to say TONIGHT, @9pm GMT, on the ‘Haze Hour’ at Vapourtrails TV. Dave has been using the Odyssey for two weeks now, so he’s taken it for a through test drive – and he won’t tell us what he’s going to say about it!

(Begs the question about the sanity of sending this out - but we believe 100% in this e-cig so we are letting you all know.)

Plus there is a video interview with Fraser Cropper, the Business Development Director at Totally Wicked, where he talks about the design concept for the Odyssey, the development of the partnerships to bring the project to life, and Totally Wicked’s hope for the future of the Odyssey.

Get the facts on the Odyssey tonight: 31/5/2012, 9pm GMT.   

Here’s the link: http://www.vapourtrails.tv/

If you miss it, then you can catch it on VPlayer. This can be accessed by the following link: http://www.vapourtrails.tv/?page_id=405 (although I don’t think it will be uploaded until tomorrow!)

(for USA put link to world clock calculator plse).

[Kenneth131]

Well I for one will be watching and I to believe the effort and transparency of tw will prove this is the next evolution of vaping so really looking forward to hear what's said then back on here to discuss it all woohoo

[bigscottd]

I've got the popcorn at the ready 

[Kenneth131]

so whats everyones opinion on the video?

I was a little disappointed that such a lovely design and it is a lovely design mentioned by anyone thats used it could be slightly let down by the output of the battery

Options seem to be to try get a custom battery for this device or get a single coil carto. I personally love the dual coils though.

Also I was a little concerned by the mad mention of changing batteries every 2-3 hours on this with a DCT which I found odd as i wouldnt have thought a dual coil would have impacted on battery life so drastically. Was this a stray comment?

[Astrecks]

The battery output will be the same as the SD
There has bee interest in a single coil carto from several members, so I sure this will be a consideration.

[chops]

It was all done with the 'enthusiasts' in mind (that label made me chuckle!). Don't forget, they're the ones who have a cupboard filled with thousands of pounds worth of devices. They know their stuff, that's true. They seek perfection. Most of what they use gets slung into their e-cig collection after they've used it for a short while. It's almost a hobby, they collect the damned thing hehe. I'm not slating that at all, everyone has an enthusiasm, it was nice to hear their verdict but I'm not in their league of collecting perfection.

Most e-cig users seek something that looks beautiful, that works very well, that is cost effective both in terms of initial outlay and over time, that lasts, and that will still be around in two or three years so that any parts do not become obselete.

Don't forget, the mass market outweighs the 'enthusiast'.... heavily. Very heavily. I saw the same old names pop up on the chat pane during that webcast, as were around between 2 and 4 years ago. There were very few new names I didn't know. The 'enthusiast' is a small niche market, a tiny representation of the entire online global vaping community, and a smaller representation again when it comes to the total number of vapers across the globe.

Want to know if this will be a good investment? Listen to the mass market rather than the niche one in my very humble opinion.

I will be watching the posts on this forum, the way I have always done. Members here are supposed to be fanboys (my God I have always hated that term but its a term that used to get bandied around a lot about TW customers, idiotic eh?). But another thing... like anywhere, they're honest and will soon grumble when something isn't working right. Just look at the one hole ---> two hole DCT cartomiser issue.

[Kenneth131]

dont get me wrong I cant see why this would differ from the Ego batteries. In fact would say that the odyssey would be better.

Ego C output is 3.3v

The 14500 is a 3.7v which will no doubt output at 4v off charge

So why does it seem the DCT suffers on the odyssey? Was the video less accurate that real life use.

Im only asking as im perplexed and to be honest Iv never used a DCT on a screwdriver so dont know what the life of the device would be.

I use it on my ego 650mah and it lasts about 6 hours before needing charged so I cant see why this would be less bieng a 900mah

Im only asking as in the video its portrayed as having battery life of 2-3 hours and low performance when used with a dual coil which will be what it comes with,.

BUT

Im using my 650mah ego c with the new 2 holed carto DCT and lasts 6 hours and has great vapour.

So in my opinion either the vid does not depict the performance well or im missing something

[Kenneth131]

Chops I agree that no one on here is a fan boy/girl. We are here since we like the products.

I have had lots of set ups over the years and tried many e cigs but ultimately i want something that just works with little to do to have it working right.

Thus far I have really struggled to find anything that has made me say "hey thats better than anything I can get on TW"
honest opinion.

I dont want something the size of TiVo to give a good vape i mean how do you carry that about all day?

also I dont want some mod thrown together thats not protected or I dont know if i will be able to buy spares when i need them because you dont know when its going to cease production. There have been many like that

As for the servicable attys etc yes its a nice idea and yes iv used them but why would i want to faf about with all that when i can simply buy a new atty pre made that lasts at least a month and costs buttons.

Just like people that can roll their own cigs why dont they because they just want to pick up a pack and go. Its fun to make your own attys for a while but the novelty wears off

so i honestly cant see what all the fuss about most of the mods out there are. If you really want clouds buy a smoke machine or  make an ecig out a Torch and a car battery and some electric fencing wire but really we want something thats nice to vape and performance is good for this  the likes of the joyetech stuff or the odyssey is a happy medium pick up and vape with little worries 

[chops]

I was getting distracted at points watching the broadcast, so unless I've missed something, they were saying that DCT's work better at a higher voltage range, a single coil is more suited to this device.

The DCT is lasting 5 to 6 hours on my SD, I'm not using any new batteries, they're all well-used ones... I honestly haven't checked out the voltages at which the DCT performance lowers, which it does maybe about half an hour before the battery stops firing the carto at all. All I can say is that the DCT performs on the SD. You know it performs on your Ego .

So I guess we need to know what mAh the oddysey batteries have, because if they're only lasting 2-3 hours on it with a DCT, comparing it to the Ego and SD, the batteries can only be about 450mAh. Unless like you say the video isn't portraying real life use. Or maybe the 'enthusiasts' never take their finger off the button!

Lol @ torch mod... yeah been there, done that... they're c.r.a.p.!!!!

[Kenneth131]

Well the battery in the odyssey is a 14500 900mah battery so it should be and has previously stated as being the same run time.

its generally 100mah per 1hour of use but this will drop slightly with the dual coil.

I know the single coil should work better but i never had any issue with my dual coil on the ego and as you said chops no issues on an SD

[chops]

Well the battery in the odyssey is a 14500 900mah battery so it should be and has previously stated as being the same run time.

So... the verdict then is... confused!!!! 

[cyborg]

I have used a DCT on an SD and didn’t think it really hammered the battery, it also vapes really well.
To me the stupid thing is to say how long a battery lasts in hours, it would last for days if you only vaped 0.5ml in a day so why don’t people state how many ml per battery.

[Kenneth131]

That's a fair point cyborg I go through about 4ml a day in my dct. Maybe this is the chance to create a usage measurement  for vaping in ml vaped from charged to dead

[hifistud]

As I said on the show, if you like a DCT on a Tornado, then the Odyssey will be absolutely fine as it stands. Yes, I am, I suppose, a collector of sorts, and yes, I do use some fairly esoteric kit - but - and this surprised me - I have found myself picking up the Odyssey more than anything else the last couple of weeks - more so since I got the single coil carto into it. To me, this speaks volumes.

I'll be looking at the production kit as soon as possible on the show, but I do think TW's onto a winner here. I rarely get subjective about stuff, but there's a lot to like about the Odyssey, and very little to dislike. And I'm not easily pleased.

[Astrecks]

Thanks for your review Dave, great program as ever  

The lesson to be learned here I think is for TW to stock a range of cartos to suit tastes, and at a pinch.. for those keen to try, you can "snip" one of the wires you can see through the mouthpiece end for of the carto, disabling the higher of the 2 coils in a dual coil carto, thus making it into a single coil

[Kenneth131]

hey dave cheers for chiming in. I know i was ranting about the amount of vapour but i do know there are times you want to have lots etc I think on the whole a nice happy medium is good.

My personal foibles with the odyssey is the choice of battery for capacity however i know this was more likely a decision made to keep the device slim.

I want to know if as much care is taken making sure the enamel badges all line up straight as has been taken in making the metal body and DCT.

I find in the ecig market there are so many variations on so many designs this is why i was drawn to the Odyssey since its a sort of one off design not avail anywhere else. Which in essence makes it an object of desire.

I like where this will then take TW in the Ecig world which will be on to more refined and technical projects. I guess on some level i am a little disappointed that this was not completely new concept but its a tried tested and true design so improving upon this is great plus I have to remind myself this is a first for TW so excellent effort all round i think

Is it as simple as cutting the metal of the top coil you can see through the top of the carto so that it is a broken conection?

[Astrecks]

Here are some photos:

Here you can see the black wire


This has now been snipped ( a pair of scissor type nail cutters does the job, and make sure the carto is not connected to the battery when you do this!..just in case!)


Here is a "naked" Dual coil, and the graphic showing where is can be cut, after this only the coil nearest the thread will operate.

[Kenneth131]

have you tried cutting the bottom coil just to see what the difference in vape would be I would imagine a hotter vape since the top coil would be firing Just tried it on a DCT carto and was ok il need to play about with it for a while to see.

Cheers Jeff

[Astrecks]

Without stripping it down, and potentially making it into leaky device no, but more to the point, if the juice became low in the tank, then the  liquid has got further to travel to reach the top coil, with 2 coils operating this is less of an issue, as the capillary action is twice that of a single coil.

I'm not certain of my theory... but it sounds good 

[Kenneth131]

I like the theory it sounds like a good theory and your probably right. I will still give it a go just to see what its like. Almost a dripping carto lol.

[Osmo]

So the theory is there cut one wire ie top one on a 1.5ohm carto which makes it a xxohm carto Astrecks can you fill me in with the xxohm figures?

Os

[Astrecks]

A 1.5ohm carto will remain a 1.5ohm carto... but a single coil instead of a dual coil.

You maybe able to see from the "naked" carto photo that the coils are wired in parallel, so each coil receives the full voltage from the battery.

[Kenneth131]

+1 Jeff if it were in series then the total of the whole wire would be 1.5ohm but since its parallel then each operate at 1.5ohm

[Osmo]

A 1.5ohm carto will remain a 1.5ohm carto... but a single coil instead of a dual coil.

You maybe able to see from the "naked" carto photo that the coils are wired in parallel, so each coil receives the full voltage from the battery.

Oops yes parallel.


Os

[Astrecks]

................and if it was wired in series, by snipping the wire you'd have one dead carto!

[Kenneth131]

lol thats why i hadnt tried it as i hadnt opened up a carto to have a look at the DCT ones but i had plenty of old ones kicking about now so i whipped a few open and iv cut the bottom and top ones so il give them all a go.

It would indeed be sad times if you cut it only to find it was in series 

[Valroc]

I think I would be a little scared cutting anything .

Are there going to be any High resistance DCT cartos coming out soon?  For the odyssey and the normal DCT's??

[Astrecks]

HR atomizers are best suited to VV devices really, but to answer your question 3ohm Carto's are on order

[LiamH]

A 1.5ohm carto will remain a 1.5ohm carto... but a single coil instead of a dual coil.

You maybe able to see from the "naked" carto photo that the coils are wired in parallel, so each coil receives the full voltage from the battery.

You might want to check that with a meter.  If you snip a parallel coil from a pair, the resistance will go up.  For a 1,5 Ohm pair you should see 3 Ohms.  The likely outcome is less vapour, but longer battery life.

There's a lot of confusion about the relationships between current, voltage, resistance and power in the vaping world.  Expect more work on this from TW this year.

Liam

[Valroc]

HR atomizers are best suited to VV devices really, but to answer your question 3ohm Carto's are on order

Fantastic   Well another thing I will be buying as soon as they come to TW!

[Astrecks]

A 1.5ohm carto will remain a 1.5ohm carto... but a single coil instead of a dual coil.

You maybe able to see from the "naked" carto photo that the coils are wired in parallel, so each coil receives the full voltage from the battery.

You might want to check that with a meter.  If you snip a parallel coil from a pair, the resistance will go up.  For a 1,5 Ohm pair you should see 3 Ohms.  The likely outcome is less vapour, but longer battery life.

There's a lot of confusion about the relationships between current, voltage, resistance and power in the vaping world.  Expect more work on this from TW this year.

Liam

I have not checked the ohms from the threads to be honest

[Kenneth131]

I too am surprised if anyone has a meter it would be great if you could check. I would have thought each coil would be 1.5ohm independently so removing one would still allow the remaining to run at 1.5ohm. Why would the resistance go up? Im really interested now in the physics behind it 

[chops]

I think it may be about something called equivalent resistance. When resistors are in parallel, there are many routes, so the total resistance is less than each pathway. In series you simply add resistances together. You're changing a parallel circuit with two resistors, and an equivalent resistance, into a (single resistor) series circuit.

I may be wrong, I'm a little rusty (covering my back here!).

[LiamH]

Chops, you're spot on.  A pair of 1.5 ohm resistors in parallel actually give an equivalent resistance of 0.75 ohms.  So when I get my meter out I'm expecting about 3 ohms each from the coils in a 1.5 ohm DCT.  Vapour Trails are over simplifying the physics of cartomiser design (IMHO), but the electronics makes complete sense and he's got it right.

However...  VVV on a single coil has for most not been a great experience.  I intend to figure out why at some point.  I think the criticism of the Odyssey's battery performance is possibly overstated.  Installed a duff cartomiser this evening, ended up using a CE2 on my Odyssey.  Guess what?  It produces enough vapour to cause consternation to a pub landlord.  That's got to be something hasn't it?

Liam

[chops]

Glad I can still remember all that, it almost hurt my brain raking it up lmao.

[Osmo]

Chops, you're spot on.  A pair of 1.5 ohm resistors in parallel actually give an equivalent resistance of 0.75 ohms.  So when I get my meter out I'm expecting about 3 ohms each from the coils in a 1.5 ohm DCT.  Vapour Trails are over simplifying the physics of cartomiser design (IMHO), but the electronics makes complete sense and he's got it right.

However...  VVV on a single coil has for most not been a great experience.  I intend to figure out why at some point.  I think the criticism of the Odyssey's battery performance is possibly overstated.  Installed a duff cartomiser this evening, ended up using a CE2 on my Odyssey.  Guess what?  It produces enough vapour to cause consternation to a pub landlord.  That's got to be something hasn't it?

Liam

I have used a 14500 protected batt straight of the charger at 4.2 volts with a TW CE2 Xl in a box mod and to be honest I cannot see the damn Landlord  

Os

[Kenneth131]

Lol at liam and osmo that's the type of performance I would expect from these batteries so I have no doubt it will be great. I certainly loved the performance of the SD

As for you chops well done on remembering your stuff was very explanitory as were you liam it does indeed make sense now so thank you for clearing that up.

Is resistance a liniar trend whereby 4 x 6ohm coils would also be equivalent to 1.5ohm?

[LiamH]

Is resistance a liniar trend whereby 4 x 6ohm coils would also be equivalent to 1.5ohm?

Yes, 4 x 6 ohm coils in parallel is 1.5 ohm.  But you then need to ask whether the 4 coils get hot enough to do any vapourising.  A surprisingly complicated omelette this vaping business.  Lots of questions, and the answers will start to appear before too long I'm sure.

Liam

[Kenneth131]

The reason I ask Is i know one vaping maniac who has indeed made a quad coil. Iv yet to try it although im not sure what the coil resistances were.

Oh I totally agree that when your dealing with physics just because you satisfy one requirement does not mean you have everything else you need. As you said resistance is one thing then how many coils being used in what connection then you have the battery whats the output and under load what will it perform like if your using a regulator.

Its mad. So i know its a bit trial and error but very rewarding when you reach your goal and have a working device 

[JonS]

A 1.5ohm carto will remain a 1.5ohm carto... but a single coil instead of a dual coil.

You maybe able to see from the "naked" carto photo that the coils are wired in parallel, so each coil receives the full voltage from the battery.

I was reading this page and suddenly it accured to me! Instead of cutting wires and modifacation of the coil or coils If vapers prefer a single coil or a double coil or even a tripple!
Why dont TW incorporate a simple switch into the circuit so vapers can choose the option of more vape or more battery life or would that be too complicated and expensive to incorporate into the design? It must have be considered at some point or am I just being silly?
 

[Kenneth131]

Nope I certainly had not considered it but my friend you may be on to something. Not sure it could be quite as simple as a switch but yeah I totally get what your on about and think its entirely possible

Only downside I see is that at present dumb cartos are cheap but adding in the extra selection would add extra cost which may be a turn off for some since the dream has always been cheap attys.

Also as liam said to have a 1.5ohm resistance in a dual coil it would be 2x 3ohm coils. So there would have to be more than just a switch for that to work also.

But certainly not out with the grasp of the talent we have on here I'm sure

[JonS]

Nope I certainly had not considered it but my friend you may be on to something. Not sure it could be quite as simple as a switch but yeah I totally get what your on about and think its entirely possible

Only downside I see is that at present dumb cartos are cheap but adding in the extra selection would add extra cost which may be a turn off for some since the dream has always been cheap attys.

Also as liam said to have a 1.5ohm resistance in a dual coil it would be 2x 3ohm coils. So there would have to be more than just a switch for that to work also.

But certainly not out with the grasp of the talent we have on here I'm sure

I think it's an good idea, worth working on? I suppose in theory on the contact point of the carto and the power supply you could have more contact points and a switching mechanism on the device it's self to control it?  (I think we need to forward this idea to someone?)

[StevieD]

The only way i can think that you would be able to get multiple contact points to line up consistently would be using a push fitting sort of like a Din Plug, or for a bit more of a secure connection a bayonet fitting....also if you had a triple coil at 1.5 Ohms that would be three 4.5 Ohms coils, so your options would be 1.5, 3 or 4.5. The cost per unit compared to 'fixed resistance' cartos would be relatively high for very little gain as not many people would have a mod powerful enough to use 4.5 Ohm. A nice idea, but not terribly practical if it would push the cost of a carto over the cost of a 'normal' atty. You could do it by building a switch into the carto, but even the smallest slide switch is gonna take up a fair bit of space in a small unit.....perhaps a rotary switch, so you could just twist the end of the carto to select 1, 2 or 3 coils? then that would only add to the length of the carto. A rotary switch with 5 contact points, two of them blanked off, would allow you to select for 1, 2 or three coils.

[Kane2283]

Hello,,haven't posted in awile!  =( work,, I was thinking to maybe do a sauter rewire job on a these dual coil replacements. Reason is I have tons just sitting round for a cheap 5 V box mod i made.

Now though I've got torpedo and dual coils just don't work for it very well. The regulator or wtvr. I also really like the Mega Dual Coils, they work quite well at 5V,,,but not on the torpedo.

Sooooo ya,,ive been playing around w/ em,,cutting the wire,,,works,,,helps alot,,but theres got to be another way. Sposed to have my electrician friend come out also to help me and i'll let you all know if we get anywhere. Will Prob just tear up a bunch of carto's lol. Picked up some 2.0 and 2.5 single coils replacements for my tanks from another place to try out on the torpedo.

[Kenneth131]

I have seen a connection on an enic using neodymium magnets for the attys which was quite a neat ldea

[JonS]

The only way i can think that you would be able to get multiple contact points to line up consistently would be using a push fitting sort of like a Din Plug, or for a bit more of a secure connection a bayonet fitting....also if you had a triple coil at 1.5 Ohms that would be three 4.5 Ohms coils, so your options would be 1.5, 3 or 4.5. The cost per unit compared to 'fixed resistance' cartos would be relatively high for very little gain as not many people would have a mod powerful enough to use 4.5 Ohm. A nice idea, but not terribly practical if it would push the cost of a carto over the cost of a 'normal' atty. You could do it by building a switch into the carto, but even the smallest slide switch is gonna take up a fair bit of space in a small unit.....perhaps a rotary switch, so you could just twist the end of the carto to select 1, 2 or 3 coils? then that would only add to the length of the carto. A rotary switch with 5 contact points, two of them blanked off, would allow you to select for 1, 2 or three coils.

Rotary Switch that sounds a good Idea?   I think this subject needs to move to the modifacation page for people to have further thoughts about the idea? But I'm not sure how to do it? Jeff! Help!

[canniscam]

Kenneth,

I would think something like this could be used to carry the common and the three other leads into the coils while remaining cost effective ...



Plug the atty in earphones style and then have a threaded collar that could thread up against the bottom on the cartomizer between the battery and the coil housing to keep the carto secure for transport.

That way you could place the control circuits in the mod or an adapter box... so you would only buy the mod box once and then use the swapable cartos with the 3.5x4 audio connectors.

Casey

[Kenneth131]

I see what you have other cassey much like the glass drip tips on some mods very good idea as well hope the development team are reading all this lol

[Astrecks]

......Rotary Switch that sounds a good Idea?   I think this subject needs to move to the modifacation page for people to have further thoughts about the idea? But I'm not sure how to do it? Jeff! Help!

You will have to start a new thread Jon, I can't move parts of and existing thread.

[JonS]

......Rotary Switch that sounds a good Idea?   I think this subject needs to move to the modifacation page for people to have further thoughts about the idea? But I'm not sure how to do it? Jeff! Help!

You will have to start a new thread Jon, I can't move parts of and existing thread.

I have started a new thread for this topic in the modifacation area, regards

[wobblybob]

I'm hoping that there will be an e cig that works consistently without any modification whatsoever. I'm looking for something that just needs cleaning and will give a reasonable life from consumable parts.

[canniscam]